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libranoelrose: Oh yeah, here's cat pic.


LOL

That cat could stand to lose a bit of weight - it even has an expression that suggests that it is disgusted with itself.

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Re: the pen tool versus lasso, I use both depending on what I'm doing (and the characteristics of the source).  But I really don't think the pen tool is anything magical for making selections.  Why not?  Well, I'll tell you since you asked so nicely...  When working with photos of real objects from the real world, the amount of chaos in the image means that almost none of the edges are smooth curves.  So I find the lasso tool, maybe with a little feathering, produces better results most times.  But there are occasionally some part of a photo will have a long, regular curve or two and the fiddling with the pen tool for the irregular parts is worth the effort.

I think the pen tool is perfect for creating graphical elements from scratch, especially since you can re-size things without introducing noise.  But that's an entirely different use case IMO and doesn't have anything to do with selecting things in a photograph.

But then again I don't use brushes, erasers or masks either.  So I'm probably doing everything the stoopid way.

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Godamnlimey:

After creating your curve Alt click on the middle  point not the end of the line wash hands rinse repeat .

Holy crap, that's awesome.  I think I just peed a little.

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Dumski: Donny Hoyle


That is funny, but the one I'm thinking of is definitely a Farker. He has a militaristic name I think and has his voice going through a synth to make it boom a little.

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Holy Crayola! There was a storm of conversation in here last night with only one cat, and pretty lady, photo. We all benefited from this round table, but I am still going to say thanks!

And it was all on this blasted thing known as a pen(bezier curve)tool. Ok, the vector pixel cutting, perfect curve, scalability, selection movabilty, editing after completion, alt-clicking sounds awesome, and several of those would be nice to have incorporated into the lasso tool.

With all of that in mind, it still seems to take much longer to accomplish the same task that is done with a lasso. Is it just a matter of proficiency?

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Dumski:

Apparently that guy is supposed to be a "douchebag", which now calls into question if it really is TB.?

I shall use the pen tool to cut that farker out and slip myself in next to her. The circle is now complete.

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It occurred to me as I was trying to get to sleep last night that I may have insulted libranoelrose's cat with my remarks, and for that I apologize.

I just get a bit uppity when I see pets that are carrying around too much weight.  Several family members have had overweight pets in the past, and none of those pets have lived as long as they should have - so I get concerned.

And the expression on that cat's face is priceless!

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hoots_toot_ochaye: It occurred to me as I was trying to get to sleep last night that I may have insulted libranoelrose's cat with my remarks, and for that I apologize.

I just get a bit uppity when I see pets that are carrying around too much weight.  Several family members have had overweight pets in the past, and none of those pets have lived as long as they should have - so I get concerned.

And the expression on that cat's face is priceless!


HAHA, no worries, that is NOT my kitteh

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(Superb_Owl_2026)
Can someone please delete my botched photoshop?  Thanks.

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libranoelrose: Oh yeah, here's cat pic.


Wow!  That's the definition of the phrase "Fat Cat."

Seriously, how can anyone let their friend/pet get like that?

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George Babbitt:
With all of that in mind, it still seems to take much longer to accomplish the same task that is done with a lasso. Is it just a matter of proficiency?

Short answer, no. :)

In my experience the pen tool is always slower in the end, even if it seems faster at times since you're covering a bigger area when you pick the endpoints.  Maybe I'm just really good with a lasso(?), but fiddling around to make the curves match the actual edges of the selection is time consuming even though I'm pretty comfortable with the tool by now.

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Hey all,

So here's the first blank I made almost entirely with the pen tool (cleaned out the area between her arms with the eraser tool, everything else was all pen).  Special shout outs to libranoelrose (for the tutorial help) and Godamnlimey (for telling me about the alt+click thingee).

That's an awful smooth blank and it only took a few minutes to make.  I think I'm gonna like the pen tool.

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Pen tool versus lasso? I just use my lawnmower tool and then blur a 2 pixel margin around the outside...

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Choc-Ful-A: In my experience the pen tool is always slower in the end, even if it seems faster at times since you're covering a bigger area when you pick the endpoints.  Maybe I'm just really good with a lasso(?), but fiddling around to make the curves match the actual edges of the selection is time consuming even though I'm pretty comfortable with the tool by now.


This is very easy to handle!  When you are done with the clipping path, choose "Make Selection" from the Paths sub-menu and set the Feather Radius to 1 pixel.  Invert the selection and delete the background.  Covers up any edge defects extremely well.

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camelclub: Free Lootie Turd

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8969/poop.jpg


Stop pooping in public!  It's really startin' to stink 'round these parts!!!

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Ennuipoet posted this on FB. man talk about some easy money. you could buy a whole collection of pen tools.

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Curious: Ennuipoet posted this on FB. man talk about some easy money. you could buy a whole collection of pen tools.


There's gonna be a wave of cats starting a life of bulimia after this...oh wait.

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hammettman: Can someone please delete my botched photoshop?  Thanks.


got it

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libranoelrose: To guarantee smoothness, the control point at which two curves meet must be on the line between the two control points on either side.


Or in simpler terms, the derivative of the Bezier curve at the point must be 0.

It's also a good thing, if you're designing cams, for examples that the 2nd derivative also be 0, so that the change in acceleration of the rocker is smooth.

In Photoshop/Illustrator/CorelDRAW/Gimp parlance, it simply means that both "control arms" are of the same length.

/felt like a sploding a few brains with math,
this afternoon.

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George Babbitt: Holy Crayola! There was a storm of conversation in here last night with only one cat, and pretty lady, photo. We all benefited from this round table, but I am still going to say thanks!

And it was all on this blasted thing known as a pen(bezier curve)tool. Ok, the vector pixel cutting, perfect curve, scalability, selection movabilty, editing after completion, alt-clicking sounds awesome, and several of those would be nice to have incorporated into the lasso tool.

With all of that in mind, it still seems to take much longer to accomplish the same task that is done with a lasso. Is it just a matter of proficiency?


The pen is mightier.

/Not going to do the SNL Jeopardy skit

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#2: camelclub: Free LooTurd

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8969/poop.jpg

Stop pooping in public!  It's really startin' to stink 'round these parts!!!


PLOP!

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Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: #2: Stop pooping in public!  It's really startin' to stink 'round these parts!!!

PLOP!


PLOP!

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bighairyguy: Our new kitty might be part doggie


I used to have a cat who did that!

Is that a catnip banana?

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ban_sidhe: bighairyguy: Our new kitty might be part doggie

I used to have a cat who did that!

Is that a catnip banana?


No, it's worm / caterpillar kind of stuffed toy, no catnip involved.  Didn't train her to do it, she just started doing it and will bring it to me when she wants to play.

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bighairyguy: she just started doing it and will bring it to me when she wants to play.


My ex-girlfriend's cat used to walk around all day with a plush mouse in his jaw and would drop it on our toes when he wanted us to play with him.

My cat, on the other hand, never gave a fark about mice or balls (unless, of course, they were filled with cat-crack). And now that he's old, he will only give a passing glance at the laser pointer.

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(OhFarkRed)
I tried the pen tool.  It;s not worth a damn as a screwdriver.

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Herb Utsmelz: I tried the pen tool.  It;s not worth a damn as a screwdriver.


lol

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bighairyguy: Our new kitty might be part doggie


cool. mine just bring dead (usually) mice and shrews in.

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stertz: Hey all,

So here's the first blank I made almost entirely with the pen tool (cleaned out the area between her arms with the eraser tool, everything else was all pen).  Special shout outs to libranoelrose (for the tutorial help) and Godamnlimey (for telling me about the alt+click thingee).

That's an awful smooth blank and it only took a few minutes to make.  I think I'm gonna like the pen tool.


You are halfway there!

Let go of your love of the eraser tool and learn how to use a layer mask to remove unwanted pixels in a non destructive manor.

I can just see you in a few weeks, using the pen tool to create paths which you then stroke to non destructively remove unwanted pixels.

It's giving me the chills!

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Choc-Ful-A: George Babbitt:
With all of that in mind, it still seems to take much longer to accomplish the same task that is done with a lasso. Is it just a matter of proficiency?

Short answer, no. :)

In my experience the pen tool is always slower in the end, even if it seems faster at times since you're covering a bigger area when you pick the endpoints.  Maybe I'm just really good with a lasso(?), but fiddling around to make the curves match the actual edges of the selection is time consuming even though I'm pretty comfortable with the tool by now.


If you are still fiddling around with the handles then you haven't placed your anchor point at the right part of the curve.

The whole point of alt clicking the anchor point is so that you can finish the rest of the degrees of the curve with another well placed anchor point.

IMHO the handles are pretty much worthless until you've finished creating your outline. Then when you add a new anchor point you can adjust it with the handles.

And you can bring that path back up at any time in the future. The path can be saved to the PSD file and you can make alterations when you open it up again.

You fark up ONE TIME with the lasso tool and you're back to square one.

I could go on about the usefulness, time savingness, and just farking awesomeness of having this tool in your box, but that would be dirty.

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Gwinny / mods, please delete this entry, thanks.

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That's one fast Mod! Thanks for deleting that dead people pic.

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I can't make the pen function do anything but mess up everything.

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All this pen tool talk, and a recent entry, Strokes and Fills Krylon Warrior, have renewed my interest in vector art.  Having no clue what I'm doing, I'll be attempting to emulate this image, in Paint Shop Pro.

But more importantly: Ban Sidhe, I started a thread at squirrel's place for our H2H.
I requested O submissions from other members. So, anyone here in PSAEF that cares to offer something, that would be great.

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Re: lasso tool...  At least in GIMP, if you add a segment with the lasso tool that you don't like, you don't have to start over.  Just hit "backspace" to remove the last segment you added and do it over.

My frustration with the pen tool is that nothing in real life is a smooth curve.  So the number of segment needed to come up with an accurate path is very large.

But to each his own. :)

Also, again at least in GIMP, nothing is ever really deleted.  So cutting selections and erasing things just means the alpha value for that area is mapped to "0", meaning it's completely transparent.  But you can always recover it by adjusting the alpha value again.  And things that were deleted just reappear.

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Choc-Ful-A: Also, again at least in GIMP, nothing is ever really deleted. So cutting selections and erasing things just means the alpha value for that area is mapped to "0", meaning it's completely transparent. But you can always recover it by adjusting the alpha value again. And things that were deleted just reappear.


This is why the only masks I deal with are layer masks for keeping selected areas blocked out or vice-versa. The eraser tool has a radio button that turns it into a anti-eraser which is different than undo, because I can go back later and unerase a part of a layer for whatever reason even if I erased it with a selection and clear command.

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#2: Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: #2: Stop pooping in public!  It's really startin' to stink 'round these parts!!!

PLOP!

PLOP!





FIZZ FIZZ

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rgdelong: Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: #2: Stop pooping in public!  It's really startin' to stink 'round these parts!!!
PLOP!
PLOP!
FIZZ FIZZ

Someone owes me a monitor cleaning, well played Goode Sire  rgdelong!

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rgdelong: #2: Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer: #2: Stop pooping in public!  It's really startin' to stink 'round these parts!!!
PLOP!
PLOP!
FIZZ FIZZ


They won't let me see that here in Canada ... it's blocked.  :(

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Terrapin Bound: But more importantly: Ban Sidhe, I started a thread at squirrel's place for our H2H.
I requested O submissions from other members. So, anyone here in PSAEF that cares to offer something, that would be great.


Oh my...the whole interface has changed since the last time I visited there.

Thanks for getting it started!

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bighairyguy: Our new kitty might be part doggie


both of my cats play fetch with me.

Terrapin Bound: Gwinny / mods, please delete this entry, thanks.


got it

Terrapin Bound: Gwinny / mods, this one too, please. Yuck.


got that too

Mr_Bobo: I need a deletion please.

http://www.fark.com/comments/7912232/86221486#c86221486

I cant splell...


done

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libranoelrose: The path can be saved to the PSD file and you can make alterations when you open it up again.


Wait wait wait. You can save as something other than JPG?

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OK.  Please wait to shoot me for this completely off topic entry after I or someone finds the answer so I can die in peace?

I am looking for a paper/essay/sensationalist expose that had to have been written in the early 20th century, or at least well into the american industrial revolution.
It was regarding the "true" purpose of the american public education system.  I do not have the feeling that it was satire, and I feel like it was written by a famous name, a known writer, but I would think an anti-industrialist.  It had a conspiratorial/sensationalist slant to it for certain.

Basically that the American public education system is designed to make sheep and not really to educate - to keep people "in their place." To purposely foster unhealthy competition and suspicion.   I've been searching for this all day, and I can find some very modern writings (after the 60s) speaking of on this, but not the one I'm thinking of.  It is not modern - I seriously doubt it was written very much after the great depression, and I can't really imagine it was written before the railroads, telegraph/telephone when the world was first made smaller and the government started regulating things.  But I could be wrong, if I am I know you guys will tell me!

It is not the writing/article/speech by John Taylor Gatto, (too modern) but I would bet $5 he's read the document that I am thinking of.

You people are smart - please help me before I go insane!    Sorry for posting this in the photoshop forum, the politics forum is DEAD, and none of the others seem appropriate (which all look pretty dead, too).  My next option is to go post it on the imbd "i need to know" forum, and REALLY get flamed for it!

Thanks in advance!

Rubes

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Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer:

Most definitely of the same ilk, and a fantastic suggestion, however, I'm nearly positive the document I read also discussed grade school children as well.  Thank you so much for your response!

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StainedGlassRuby: Herr Docktor Heinrich Wisenheimer:

Most definitely of the same ilk, and a fantastic suggestion, however, I'm nearly positive the document I read also discussed grade school children as well.  Thank you so much for your response!


The Goslings by sinclair is about grade schools and high schools http://www.amazon.com/The-Goslings-Study-American-Schools/dp/11627963 5 9
 
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