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  • Buster

    Best programming software

    Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
    what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
    software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
    to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
    Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
    you may have.

    Thanx.


  • Louis-Philippe Huberdeau

    #2
    Re: Best programming software

    There is also JCreator (tryed that one, it's not too bad), a friend of
    mine uses TextPad and love it. I personally use VIM (as for everything
    else). There is no better editor, only good ones. It all depends on how
    much you are ready to invest and what your preferences are.

    You can make a search on google for the urls of all the above editors.
    ("I'm feeling lucky" should be safe enough)

    Buster wrote:[color=blue]
    > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
    > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
    > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
    > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
    > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
    > you may have.
    >
    > Thanx.
    >
    >[/color]

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    • Karthik A.

      #3
      Re: Best programming software

      All the above editors are good.... but if you want to start
      development on huge application the best IDE i would suggest is
      Eclipse... it is availabe for free download on www.eclipse.org .. It
      has umpteen number of plugins ... ranging from jsp, j2ee ,tomcat...
      plugins ..to UML ... etc .. these plugins are available for download
      from www.sourceforge.net . it is absolutely fantastic. you got to try
      it. it is way way more advanced than textpad or VIM.. It is pretty
      much similar to Jbuilder .. it integrates with CVS directly..

      Regards,
      Karthik


      Louis-Philippe Huberdeau <lphuberdeau@sy mpatico.ca> wrote in message news:<UgFQa.122 6$ym.303261@new s20.bellglobal. com>...[color=blue]
      > There is also JCreator (tryed that one, it's not too bad), a friend of
      > mine uses TextPad and love it. I personally use VIM (as for everything
      > else). There is no better editor, only good ones. It all depends on how
      > much you are ready to invest and what your preferences are.
      >
      > You can make a search on google for the urls of all the above editors.
      > ("I'm feeling lucky" should be safe enough)
      >
      > Buster wrote:[color=green]
      > > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
      > > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
      > > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
      > > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
      > > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
      > > you may have.
      > >
      > > Thanx.
      > >
      > >[/color][/color]

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      • Lee

        #4
        Re: Best programming software

        I use IntelliJ Idea (see www.intellij.com). It is by far the best Java IDE
        that I have seen. It checks your code as you write it, highlights errors,
        etc. It has great features for searching, code generation, and refactoring.
        It can run the compiler for you, and/or you can hook it up to ant build
        scripts. ("ant" is similar to "make"). It has debug, supports CVS, has lots
        of keyboard shortcuts etc. (Something I really like is CTRL-Q shows javadoc
        for the method under the cursor.)
        I believe it now has a GUI development tool similar to what JBuilder does.
        The creators are adding features quickly.
        Regards,
        Lee.


        "Buster" <msne09824@blue yonder.co.uk> wrote in message
        news:qaFQa.155$ Bg2.52@news-binary.blueyond er.co.uk...[color=blue]
        > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
        > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
        > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very[/color]
        difficult[color=blue]
        > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
        > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
        > you may have.
        >
        > Thanx.
        >
        >[/color]


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        • Jeroen Wenting

          #5
          Re: Best programming software

          JBuilder is good.
          Eclipse is also good, and should run better on a lowend machine.
          JBuilder is more powerful and easier to set up correctly (sorry Eclipse
          people, some way to go there. At least on my machine it failed to find such
          essentials as JDKs for example).

          But do at least learn the command line as well for the tools, you might end
          up in situations where it's all you have (and VI or Emacs).

          "Buster" <msne09824@blue yonder.co.uk> wrote in message
          news:qaFQa.155$ Bg2.52@news-binary.blueyond er.co.uk...[color=blue]
          > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
          > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
          > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very[/color]
          difficult[color=blue]
          > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
          > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
          > you may have.
          >
          > Thanx.
          >
          >[/color]


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          • Louis-Philippe Huberdeau

            #6
            Re: Best programming software

            I can only say one thing: You have no idea on how to use VIM. Maybe it
            does not do your UML, but who needs that to be integrated in an IDE? I
            do my code design way before I get in front of a text editor and at that
            point, they are prints.

            :! Find something else VIM can't do.

            Karthik A. wrote:[color=blue]
            > All the above editors are good.... but if you want to start
            > development on huge application the best IDE i would suggest is
            > Eclipse... it is availabe for free download on www.eclipse.org .. It
            > has umpteen number of plugins ... ranging from jsp, j2ee ,tomcat...
            > plugins ..to UML ... etc .. these plugins are available for download
            > from www.sourceforge.net . it is absolutely fantastic. you got to try
            > it. it is way way more advanced than textpad or VIM.. It is pretty
            > much similar to Jbuilder .. it integrates with CVS directly..
            >
            > Regards,
            > Karthik
            >
            >
            > Louis-Philippe Huberdeau <lphuberdeau@sy mpatico.ca> wrote in message news:<UgFQa.122 6$ym.303261@new s20.bellglobal. com>...
            >[color=green]
            >>There is also JCreator (tryed that one, it's not too bad), a friend of
            >>mine uses TextPad and love it. I personally use VIM (as for everything
            >>else). There is no better editor, only good ones. It all depends on how
            >>much you are ready to invest and what your preferences are.
            >>
            >>You can make a search on google for the urls of all the above editors.
            >>("I'm feeling lucky" should be safe enough)
            >>
            >>Buster wrote:
            >>[color=darkred]
            >>>Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
            >>>what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
            >>>software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
            >>>to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
            >>>Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
            >>>you may have.
            >>>
            >>>Thanx.
            >>>
            >>>[/color][/color][/color]

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            • Pete

              #7
              Re: Best programming software

              I have used JCreator since I started learning Java, and have found it to
              be very handy. It can create project files, and you can organise all
              your different java/class files. You can also compile your project (or
              single file) at the click of a button.
              It handles highlighting code to show the reserved words, and auto indenting.
              If you want to splurge and get the Pro version, it also has
              code-completion, whick will pop-up with the methods etc for what you are
              working on.

              you can always check out the free version....what harm could it do?




              Buster wrote:
              [color=blue]
              > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
              > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
              > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
              > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
              > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
              > you may have.
              >
              > Thanx.
              >
              >[/color]

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              • Karthik A.

                #8
                Re: Best programming software

                Hi,
                who ever said VIM is the best java IDE around must be kidding..
                What do you mean by IDE- Integrated Development Environment... Which
                means that you can do everything from design ... to code generation to
                testing and deployment on the same application.
                Regards
                Karthik


                Pete <pcallaghan@ipr imus.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f14340d_ 1@news.iprimus. com.au>...[color=blue]
                > I have used JCreator since I started learning Java, and have found it to
                > be very handy. It can create project files, and you can organise all
                > your different java/class files. You can also compile your project (or
                > single file) at the click of a button.
                > It handles highlighting code to show the reserved words, and auto indenting.
                > If you want to splurge and get the Pro version, it also has
                > code-completion, whick will pop-up with the methods etc for what you are
                > working on.
                >
                > you can always check out the free version....what harm could it do?
                > http://www.jcreator.com
                >
                >
                >
                > Buster wrote:
                >[color=green]
                > > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
                > > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
                > > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
                > > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
                > > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
                > > you may have.
                > >
                > > Thanx.
                > >
                > >[/color][/color]

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                • Makis Arvanitis

                  #9
                  Re: Best programming software

                  I personally like the netbeans 3.5 (http://www.netbeans.org/) it's free
                  and Sun uses it for their development studios.
                  But you have to learn the command line too.

                  Buster wrote:
                  [color=blue]
                  > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
                  > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
                  > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
                  > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
                  > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
                  > you may have.
                  >
                  > Thanx.
                  >
                  >[/color]

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                  • KC Wong

                    #10
                    Re: Best programming software

                    "Buster" <msne09824@blue yonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<qaFQa.155 $Bg2.52@news-binary.blueyond er.co.uk>...[color=blue]
                    > Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
                    > what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
                    > software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
                    > to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
                    > Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
                    > you may have.[/color]

                    All other replies talk of good IDEs to use... but IDEs are NOT good
                    for learning Java.

                    They provide additional packages, and some of them hides code away
                    from you or produce ugly codes (esp. UI design). If you use them while
                    you're just starting to learn, you'll get *addicted* to it.

                    Then take the IDE away and you can't code anything.

                    I don't think one has to buy anything to learn Java. Just grab a text
                    editor (probably one with syntax highlight and free, like Crimson
                    Editor, but even Notpad will do), download the SDK and API Docs from
                    Sun, then follow a book (like Thinking in Java, free at
                    http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/) and start coding.


                    KC.

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