OMGWTFuckery is rife.
Read an interesting wank yesterday (through various links) from someone disapproving on abusive chan-fics (one in particular). The usual likening them to pedophilia and MORAL OBLIGATIONS WE ALL HAVE.
Being the curious soul that I am, I read the fic in question. I liked it.
Basic premise: Older brother (say...13 or 14?) molests the younger (approx 7 or 8?). All from the younger siblings pov -- who doesn't really know/understand what's going on. It's...creepy. Because the 'normal' sibling affection is there - beginning, middle and end. The scenes at the beginning are kinda sweet.
And then the older brother molests the younger (not actual penetration, not even oral. But still non-con, even without taking into account statuary rape.)
I don't think it's meant to be titillating. I certainly did not go OMGSOHAWT. But then, I didn't call the writer a fucking pedophile either.
Rape is wrong. Child abuse is wrong. Murder is wrong. Abuse, drugs, stealing, bullying and countless other things are morally and/or legally wrong.
Writing something that deals with one of those subjects...well, I think there's a certain school of thought that means that the rapist/murderer/abuser must have a) reasons and b) be condemned and punished for it. And then everyone rides off into the sunset on a glittery unicorn.
*bites inside of cheek in thought*
Where's the fun in that? Where's the character exploration?
What if I want to write something from the rapist/murderer/abuser's pov? Not because I think it's 'hot' or condone those actions but simply because I want to test myself? Or think it's an...'interesting' character study?
Even morbidly interesting.
I don't have many squicks anymore. Possibly scat (although I'm sure in the hands of the right author I might change my mind or at least find it bearable). But...I just don't understand the condemnation that some fics (like this one) get. It's writing.
If things are warned for properly, then most people can adhere to the 'don't like, don't read' school of thought surely?
And even for the morbidly curious: 'didn't like, but at least I was warned'.
For me, I don't like that there seems to be this tendency - which I find myself coming across more and more frequently - to...almost put up invisible barriers. You can't write this. Or, you can but you have to write it this way. From this pov.
Well, that way has been done again and again - better than I could ever write - and wouldn't it be intriguing if it was done this way?
It's getting to the stage where I'm starting to think that moral obligations and societies 'norm' are going to seriously start to limit the writing process. Be it fandom or published. This thought troubles me. A lot.
I'm not saying that everything or even anything of what I and Jynx write is 'cutting edge' or wtf-ever. But, well, we do like to skirt the edges of kinks, taboos and occasional dark fic. What if we want to write something morally disturbing sometime in the future? I want the freedom explore that without getting branded a peodo or murderer or abuser or just plain sick.
Because newsflash kiddies: Fiction is not reality.
I've written and co-written rape, murder, seriously dub-con, incest, spousal abuse, drugging, cutting, alcoholism, glorified drug usage and some seriously morally skewered 'active karma'.
I've read - and thoroughly enjoyed (in a wow that was a mindfuck kinda way) - all of the above as well as child-abuse/molestion, bestiality, necrophilia and probably more.
And no, I don't condone any of it IRL.Except for maybe the alcoholism and drug usage.
And if you made it through this; I applaud you.
M'not really sure what the point of this is tbh. I just needed to get it out in the open. But I am kind of curious; what squicks you guys?
I mean, completely and utterly? Where's the line for you? And I'm 99.9% sure that my ever wonderful flist knows the distinction between fiction and reality anyway. But what gets too much, even in fiction?
And does anyone really know the answer to why people feel the need to put boundaries on writing? Cuz if you do, please tell me? I'm still confused about that point.
Read an interesting wank yesterday (through various links) from someone disapproving on abusive chan-fics (one in particular). The usual likening them to pedophilia and MORAL OBLIGATIONS WE ALL HAVE.
Being the curious soul that I am, I read the fic in question. I liked it.
Basic premise: Older brother (say...13 or 14?) molests the younger (approx 7 or 8?). All from the younger siblings pov -- who doesn't really know/understand what's going on. It's...creepy. Because the 'normal' sibling affection is there - beginning, middle and end. The scenes at the beginning are kinda sweet.
And then the older brother molests the younger (not actual penetration, not even oral. But still non-con, even without taking into account statuary rape.)
I don't think it's meant to be titillating. I certainly did not go OMGSOHAWT. But then, I didn't call the writer a fucking pedophile either.
Rape is wrong. Child abuse is wrong. Murder is wrong. Abuse, drugs, stealing, bullying and countless other things are morally and/or legally wrong.
Writing something that deals with one of those subjects...well, I think there's a certain school of thought that means that the rapist/murderer/abuser must have a) reasons and b) be condemned and punished for it. And then everyone rides off into the sunset on a glittery unicorn.
*bites inside of cheek in thought*
Where's the fun in that? Where's the character exploration?
What if I want to write something from the rapist/murderer/abuser's pov? Not because I think it's 'hot' or condone those actions but simply because I want to test myself? Or think it's an...'interesting' character study?
Even morbidly interesting.
I don't have many squicks anymore. Possibly scat (although I'm sure in the hands of the right author I might change my mind or at least find it bearable). But...I just don't understand the condemnation that some fics (like this one) get. It's writing.
If things are warned for properly, then most people can adhere to the 'don't like, don't read' school of thought surely?
And even for the morbidly curious: 'didn't like, but at least I was warned'.
For me, I don't like that there seems to be this tendency - which I find myself coming across more and more frequently - to...almost put up invisible barriers. You can't write this. Or, you can but you have to write it this way. From this pov.
Well, that way has been done again and again - better than I could ever write - and wouldn't it be intriguing if it was done this way?
It's getting to the stage where I'm starting to think that moral obligations and societies 'norm' are going to seriously start to limit the writing process. Be it fandom or published. This thought troubles me. A lot.
I'm not saying that everything or even anything of what I and Jynx write is 'cutting edge' or wtf-ever. But, well, we do like to skirt the edges of kinks, taboos and occasional dark fic. What if we want to write something morally disturbing sometime in the future? I want the freedom explore that without getting branded a peodo or murderer or abuser or just plain sick.
Because newsflash kiddies: Fiction is not reality.
I've written and co-written rape, murder, seriously dub-con, incest, spousal abuse, drugging, cutting, alcoholism, glorified drug usage and some seriously morally skewered 'active karma'.
I've read - and thoroughly enjoyed (in a wow that was a mindfuck kinda way) - all of the above as well as child-abuse/molestion, bestiality, necrophilia and probably more.
And no, I don't condone any of it IRL.
And if you made it through this; I applaud you.
M'not really sure what the point of this is tbh. I just needed to get it out in the open. But I am kind of curious; what squicks you guys?
I mean, completely and utterly? Where's the line for you? And I'm 99.9% sure that my ever wonderful flist knows the distinction between fiction and reality anyway. But what gets too much, even in fiction?
And does anyone really know the answer to why people feel the need to put boundaries on writing? Cuz if you do, please tell me? I'm still confused about that point.