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@rakekniven why administration?

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@rakekniven why administration?

The Nextcloud project wants to have a gender neutral speech.
We had a lot related changes in the past.

@jancborchardt Do we have a post or guideline to reference?

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camilasan commented Aug 10, 2025

The Nextcloud project wants to have a gender neutral speech.
We had a lot related changes in the past.

Cool, I really didn't realize "administrator" was not neutral.
Thank you.

Could you link the transifex issue in the PR? Or explain the reason behind it in the original post.

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/backport to stable-3.17

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you could also add the reason in the commit message.

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@rakekniven thanks
surprisingly those changes break some automated tests for the CI
I am having a look

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i2h3 commented Aug 12, 2025

Cool, I really didn't realize "administrator" was not neutral.

I did not know either. 👀 To my memory, English has mostly lost the relevance of gendered nouns centuries ago in Middle English. I am not on topic of gender neutral speech in English, though, not even a native speaker. Is this really neutralizing or already neutral by today's standards? Just asking to improve my English skills. 😁

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I assume this is related to the gender neutral language discussion from the forum. :)

Over there some time ago I did an assessment of what could be changed in the German translation, but also in the original (German post, translation is your friend ;):
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/geschlechtsneutrale-sprache-genderneutral/82200/107?u=jan

In this case of "administrator" vs "administration" I’m not sure about changing it in English. From my feeling "administration" sounds a bit much like public administration as in government-related, but I’m not a native speaker.

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Artifact containing the AppImage: nextcloud-appimage-pr-8558.zip

SHA256 checksum: a23c0a9cc9aa239ac41009524a60cd4161bfc812937714c6448e921c9f1a3c7b

To test this change/fix you can download the above artifact file, unzip it, and run it.

Please make sure to quit your existing Nextcloud app and backup your data.

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mgallien commented Aug 14, 2025

I assume this is related to the gender neutral language discussion from the forum. :)

Over there some time ago I did an assessment of what could be changed in the German translation, but also in the original (German post, translation is your friend ;): https://help.nextcloud.com/t/geschlechtsneutrale-sprache-genderneutral/82200/107?u=jan

In this case of "administrator" vs "administration" I’m not sure about changing it in English. From my feeling "administration" sounds a bit much like public administration as in government-related, but I’m not a native speaker.

would "team" be an appropriate word ?
for example:

An unexpected error occurred. Please try syncing again or contact your server management team if the issue continues.

I am not a native speaker and may also miss some cultural references

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I did some googling and bumped into this:
https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/feminine-of-administrator-and-moderator.1437990/post-7277560

I understand this as 'administrator' is inherently masculine.

However https://deepgyan.com/english/grammar/nouns/feminine/feminine-of-administrator.php
states that 'administrator' is neutral.

I don't know a thrust source to check this.

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