yes, sorry, I just woke up and was grumpy - I should have said: you're right, this doesn't "actually work". What I was wanted to show you by doing a "public bet" is if we pick a target (who is actually malicious, not just misinformed), then we can play this game that will erode *his* audience's faith in him. I am describing launching a propaganda campaign (but, transparently, "pro social")
The reason this is so effective is because this is essentially an infiltration. You don't attack the malicious belief "from the outside", you question it "from the inside". Like it wouldn't be a left wing person attacking a right wing belief, it would be a right wing person who wants to find out what is true asking innocent questions that are difficult to answer (this is usually enough, planting the seed / framing it changes how they consume new information)
This is what I mean by "turn culture war into culture science". The bad guys already use all available means to propagate their ideas effectively, and I think the good guys can (1) use effective strategies that actually work and (2) WITHOUT using things that make the information/epistemic commons worse (like what you describe is as "Discourse Style: Mockery as Method"), for those we can develop defenses / counter attacks against it that pull it towards the good
I would like to make a public bet with you on this! No money involved, I mean I want to find out if you're right/test my claim
I think you'll want to acquaint yourself with my work first. Suffice to say, I have pretty evidence-based reasons for my skepticism.
https://edokwin.substack.com/p/the-outrage-merchants-how-edgy-voices
yes, sorry, I just woke up and was grumpy - I should have said: you're right, this doesn't "actually work". What I was wanted to show you by doing a "public bet" is if we pick a target (who is actually malicious, not just misinformed), then we can play this game that will erode *his* audience's faith in him. I am describing launching a propaganda campaign (but, transparently, "pro social")
The reason this is so effective is because this is essentially an infiltration. You don't attack the malicious belief "from the outside", you question it "from the inside". Like it wouldn't be a left wing person attacking a right wing belief, it would be a right wing person who wants to find out what is true asking innocent questions that are difficult to answer (this is usually enough, planting the seed / framing it changes how they consume new information)
This is what I mean by "turn culture war into culture science". The bad guys already use all available means to propagate their ideas effectively, and I think the good guys can (1) use effective strategies that actually work and (2) WITHOUT using things that make the information/epistemic commons worse (like what you describe is as "Discourse Style: Mockery as Method"), for those we can develop defenses / counter attacks against it that pull it towards the good