MasterHands

Checking in after having my time wasted AGAIN.  I'm Teflon people, your wank material come-ons and misleading emails, all water off a duck's ass.  Right to the point, I have a life outside this forum, this site, even this lifestyle.

I still welcome SERIOUS inquiries, of an educational nature, friendship (I see there are other musicians out there...) and on the outside chance, play partners.  I have taken to:

A) Deleting all emails where the conversation got ONE of us off (and not me)

B) Blocking myself from view of those who waste my time, do not listen, and do not respond

C) Using the 'hover' feature in my inbox to weed out the "U R INTSNG" one-line, one-hand-typed messages unread.

I miss being able to spend time with some of the folks on here.  I have some good friends, and miss those who fell off.  But distance can be a positive on this site from time to time.  To those who seek new friendships, I will apologize eventually for making you suffer for the misgiving of those who wasted time before you.

Well, up until a couple of days ago, I was wasting time on this site, got mislead (again) got faked out (again) and encountered uncertainty, insecurity, immaturity and a Houdini (you know, vanishing act).

Then I go out on a limb for someone who wanted a very severe fetish acted out.  I was even willing to go up to just before that severe fetish was achieved, but that severe fetish was the MOST severe fetish you can imagine.  Also one of my hard limits.  But I was willing to assist as much as I could.  But instead this person chose someone else.  I guess they found someone willing to go to that severe level of depravity.

Sorry but no fetish is worth doing Federal time for.

More pressing is the fact that my vanilla activities have blown up (as the kids say).  My email inbox (on my surface-dwelling account) has been inundated with "where is your disc, where is your disc, when can we expect it, can you give a projected delivery date, what is your status with the new material... etc.".

Pain in the ass.

But it's what I do outside the chamber.  So I had to do some serious thinking, evaluate everything that occupies my time, and make severe cuts to things that waste my time.

This site wastes my time.

I know no one cares, I know no one give's a rat's ass, and I know no one reads my journals, but I like to express my thoughts this way, I find it cathartic.

I will be taking another one of my sabbaticals to finish my album.  I have been working a lot with some new technology that helps me create and capture sonics as was not possible before.  So I am hoping the process will go quickly, but the one stumbling block is, I need to write one more song.

While the technology is cutting edge, the process remains the same.  Think of words, think of instrument parts, think of melodies, changes, etc.  So until I have another cathartic breakthrough, I will be occupying my time elsewhere.

I know that I will check in every now and again, but long chats will not be happening for a while.  If you are one of my friends, please say hello and I will respond when I check in.  If you are interested in any of the experience I have to share, again, please feel free to contact me.  I will be checking emails.

Thanks to those who talked to me, shared some laughs, fantasies, I don't know when I will be actively seeking again, but when I am ready, most assuredly, I will let you know.

Take care for now and good luck!

Maybe I don't get it...

I keep a browser window open, and I hop on and off this site as I decided not to troll anymore, it's just a waste of time.  I read some new, interesting profiles, I laugh at the obvious spam generators, but sometimes I will interact with people should I find an interesting profile.

So I was engaging with someone yesterday, made an extra effort to get online after putting in some hours at work, and lo and behold the person was online and responded (through an outside chat program, my chat program here doesn't want to work with my Mac).  We talked back and forth, through both email here and IM.  This person then made a comment which was not out of the ordinary for some participants on this site.

When I simply asked about a timetable, this person (gee, can you guess where this is going?) disappeared!

No "I have to get going", no "I need to be up for work in the morning" just...

Another fake or player I immediately surmised.

What gets me is, I didn't pick it out beforehand.  I am usually pretty good at spotting the "will you chat me through a wank-off"-types, but this time I was the carp.  Fell for it hook, line and sinker.

I know there are real people out there, and I want to be an optimist.  So I'll keep looking.  But don't be surprised if I start to make people work a little harder.  Maybe if I DEMAND things from prospective partners first, they will be less likely to waste my time.

And maybe pigs will fly!

Life is not all work...

If you venture to look behind my primary profile pictures, you will get a glimpse of what life would be like if you were to serve me in real time.  This lovely young lady asked for anonymity, so I respected her wishes and blurred her face out.  But everything else is real and most likely, locked on.

What is the large tan thing hanging from her neck?  It's the controller for the vibrating egg stuffed down her panties.  She can't reach the controls or the egg.

Take a look, check them out, and by all means, please feel free to contact me if this is something you would like to experience for yourself!

It has been a couple of crazy days, and for the immediate, foreseeable future, it seems my life will remain that way.  Whatever do I mean?  Work.  I had three assignments dumped on me at once, perhaps a touch of perspective might help the reader to understand how this impacts my "kink".

When I am given an "assignment", it comes in a couple of different forms.  An assignment might consist of my "I'm truly a Mets fan, I have every right to bad-mouth them).

I write about music.  I play instruments.  I have recorded my own albums.  If something's out of tune, out of time, or out of key, I call out anyone who releases or performs something so bad.

This has resulted in death threats, threats of lawsuits, threats of dismissal.  So you can see where it is I get my bravado.

So when multiple musical acts come my way, I have to get while the gettin's good.  I have spent the past two weekends driving to shows, reviewing the acts, and in a couple of cases, actually talking with the artists/musicians.

So I apologize for falling off the radar.  Don't be afraid to send me messages, I will respond even if I don't log on for a while.  I'm not flaking out, I'm just (most likely) writing, tired, or waiting for my ears to stop ringing.

Huh?  What?

"The water's dripping in the hallway,
The guy next door, he knocks his wall down,
Oh my head sounds like that..." Peter Gabriel

It's been an interesting couple of days.  First I was approached by a dom/sub couple.  When I asked the dom what level of participation he was going to undertake and apparently that was crossing the line.  They never talked to me again.

Waste of time.

I have been talking with a long distance member, but we are more buds than seeking anything from each other.  Although we do flirt through email.  She is special.  She understands submission and all its implications.

Then there is the CD submissive I came across.  I sent an introduction email and we hit it off.  Or so I thought until the IM conversation ended abruptly and I have heard nothing since.  I will wait my customary period before writing this person off.  But, I am going to write this person off, I can tell.  They have for all intents and purposes, no experience.  I was willing to help them with a very special (and very out of my comfort zone) fantasy.

Some thanks I get.

I have the feeling I wasted my afternoon yesterday on this person based on history, past experiences, etc.  My glass half full side is hoping to hear back from this person, but my reality based side tells me I was someone's wank text.

I believe I've been hidden...

Yup.  It would seem that the last person I was speaking to has suddenly vanished!

Go figure...

So here's how that last nonsense played out:

Out of the blue a message appears in my inbox.  Yet another comment about how they would like the crop in my picture to be used on them.  We all know originality on this site is lacking (and that's being kind...) and on a side-note, no, you don't want that crop used on you, it's seen better days.  You want one of my newer crops used on you as it will produce more of the desired effect.  Desired by whom more has been the ongoing question.

After a brief exchange, and discovering that this person lives less than 20 miles from me, I offer to take this to the next level once she reveals that yes, she is owned by someone, but it is long-distance.  My initial (reflex) reaction was for her to get permission from her owner for me to administer.  I don't play with other people's chattel without their say-so and a consultation from them as to what areas need the most improvement.

So, rationally, I am expecting to hear from a domme regarding this submissive and the request for me to "use that crop on her".

Nothing.  Vanished.

Perhaps it was that warning that I don't this halfheartedly.  If she wants the spanking, she would have to go through my regimen first...

Bound, gagged, blindfolded, ears plugged, hood, collar locked on, wrist and ankle cuffs locked on, whipped, clamped, cropped, waxed, paddled, plugged, dildoed, then spanked.  Last.  If you EARN it by surviving what I put you through.  If you don't react during the process, and just "lay there and take it" you might not get reward.  Someone who responds to the impact, reacts to the sting, they will be rewarded with whatever they desire in that context (i.e. the spanking) as well as a breathtaking surprise!

I do make it known that if you want any part of me, it can fall on the side of extreme.

In an IM conversation:

(To preface, the person involved in this email and I have only been talking through emails.  Have not spoken, have not cammed, email and IM only so far.  In the middle of one of these conversations about experience level...)

Her (screen name withheld to prevent CM issue): That sounds fake, you're just another fake.

Me: No, it is really true, if you want proof, I can verify.

Her: I am camming, you are scamming me to get off, I suppose you are scamming me for cam-play, if I was to cam with you, you want me naked, right?

Me: No.  If I am the one verifying something, you can stay on text chat and I will get on cam for you.  Mind you, I would have to expose my chest as part of the proof.  You WILL see my face, but I would have to lift my right side shirt to expose the scar.

ABRUPT END TO CONVERSATION

I have SEVERAL hypotheses about WHY this session suddenly ended and quickly at that.  But I will not waste your time or mine with them as they are mostly supposition.

Life is too short.

I explained this to one of my friends, a site-mate if you will.  We keep each other sane when dealing with this site.  She had said her life was so chaotic she was not actively pursuing anything.  I had told her about my recent set-back.  She saw me through that.  I am afraid I will be seeing her through a couple of really nasty events coming up in her life.  YOWS.  If you are one of those new breed of CM member who is actually sincere and kind in your approach to people, well wishes are forwarded from here.

But I told her also that I am not letting those with "hang-ups" slow me down.  It may very well be that the person I was talking with who approached me while I was in the middle of being someone's weird-out may not be available to work with me.  She claims to have a cyber-domme.  The sub wants me to administer.  I figure I should have heard from someone by now.  Earnest?

Looking for an Asian live-in for a female and male dom couple...  Her birthday is in early Feb. and parties interested should be prepared and willing to relocate around that approximate time.

In the words of Jaz Coleman of Killing Joke, "We walk round the pitch, honesty is sick, try to be honest, look what you get, the food runs short, and then the money talks, one way out, YOUR PREMONITION IS CORRECT".

I was talking to a sub girl, I was honest with her about my convoluted situation, and while I am 98% sure I told her in the very beginning my relationship status is, as some would classify it, complicated, it was by no means any reason to end things before they began.  No one was getting hurt.  I told this sub girl my situation was what it was, and it was the perfect excuse to back out.

I have a new attitude on here now.  No skin off my nose.  At the very same time I received the email from her calling things off, I was talking to someone else who is closer, and is interested in the activity and not the minutia attached to one of the participants.

A lot of people on this site crave honesty.  Be careful what you wish for.

Sometimes a door closes, and a window opens.  I am not longer part of that couple.  That's over.  We won't go into that whole issue.  But there is an exciting young woman I am talking to about doing corrective sessions!  This is almost like psychotherapy.  She wants me to help her with certain behaviors and habits.  Like I said in our back and forth chat, most of my experience has been wham, bam, thank you man.  No meaning, no purpose.  Just lashes for the sake of lashes.

This time, if everything goes correctly, my efforts will be towards what I consider to be a noble goal: A subject's betterment, their personal growth.  I feel a certain sense of pride.

I don't even care about sexual involvement.  My concern is seeing a change in her habits, her actions.

Did I ever think I would be part of something like this?  Actually, no.  This precious opportunity fell in my lap (figuratively).  Someone I had seen, finally saw me.

I'll keep you posted, as I will be making journal entries similar to scientific journal entries.  We will all be keeping tabs on her.  Input is welcome after we get familiar with each other, if any of you have ideas that can help her along her path, comments are welcome.  But make sure you read the journal and have something germane to the situation.  We don't need "fuck her ass hard" or "fist her until she dies".  Keep it real, keep it respectful.

I will update as needed.  Intriguing...

“TALK TALK TALK, it’s only talk…”  Or so the song goes.  Some people need to chill way out.  I’ve gone on about ‘send me a photo in order to chat’.  It’s only talk.

I guess this is gonna be another one of those dichotomy-of-the-participant-behavior rants…

I still find it funny how many people claim to be slaves yet have very many strongholds in the ‘real’ world.  “I want 24/7 TPE but I will not relocate and I will not abandon my career/business.  Oh, did I mention I have three kids.?...”  I hear what these folks are saying though…

Some people feel this compulsion deep down inside and very, very strongly.  This compulsion can and does override the sense of practicality.  Should the compulsion go unrequited, the urge for satisfaction can wipe practicality off the map.

I guess I am mellowing with age, I can muster sympathy, empathy and even a fellowship with these people.  They want it, some need it, and all they can come across are fakes, phonies, users, and miscreants of all measures.  It’s a hard lesson I see so many people learning over and over on this site and others.  She and I have become fortunate, we are learning to spot the fakes, the pros (no disrespect, we just aren’t a part of that life anymore), the baiters, the misleaders…  So those, real, actual people who are responsible, honest and real people become even fewer and further between.

This is such a niche lifestyle; to narrow things down with conditions (physical, social, age, race, creed, even location) is wrong.  Not preaching, just realizing.  True dominance/submission is not contingent upon this, that or any of the other “conditions” I previously mentioned.  It IS contingent upon one willing to give a gift, one willing to accept that gift.  I’ll leave it to you to decide who gives what to whom.

My gist is, don’t be afraid to chat,  It’s only talk.  If someone gets pushy, abusive, etc., dump and block.  But if you are looking for information about this lifestyle, don’t block chats (unless they truly don’t work, I am going to have to get one of our friends to check our chat as it has not worked for a while).

You could also view it as, if you are for real, not a player, open up your chat button and let the other real folks know.

It’s only talk…

I (Jeff, let’s face it, I always do the journal updates for our profile) have noticed a lot of people expressing displeasure at this site, and more specifically, the inhabitants of the site.  I am starting to wonder if it is, in fact, the site, but rather those inhabitants.

The inhabitants complain that people are fakes.  They are.  But if you don’t answer emails, ignore chat requests, don’t participate in the site, and have a very exclusionary profile text, odds are, you aren’t going to get any satisfaction out of the site.

Admittedly, both Lynn and I need to be more proactive.  We are aiming to find a live-in by year’s end.  But if that doesn’t happen, it won’t be the end of the world.  But we aren’t going to throw up our hands and blame it on the site.

We read profile after profile; they are looking… looking for us!  We feel we are offering a sweet deal.  Yeah, it might be a bit of work, but if you are advertising yourself as a slave, having to wear a French Maid’s uniform during the day while you clean, and be dressed as a whore after dinner is served and cleaned up, we feel, beats the hell out of being chained in a dreary basement naked all the time (granted, there will be plenty of that with us, don’t get me wrong).

Yes, being naked is more demeaning than being adorned in lingerie or a maid’s uniform, or a streetwalker outfit.  But truthfully, once the initial orientation/break-in period is over, the naked thing kinda wears thin after a while.  Rather leave something to the imagination.

We realize that some of the issue people have with our profile is with my picture.  While I have actually lost weight, so that torso shot is out of date, I am sort of a public figure.  Not famous, just visible in the public eye.  I am not famous, but I interact with famous people from time to time.  So I can’t show my face on a BDSM profile.  I have some promo pictures I can send people that were taken when I did the photo shoot for my last CD (also, I am a musician), if my lack of a face shot is that detrimental to contacting us, I can send it to you in a private email. All you have to do is ask.

Most don’t bother.

That is also another problem.  Action.  No one takes any.  You can bitch and moan in a journal entry all you want.  But if you don’t PARTICIPATE you will go unnoticed.  Bitching and moaning in a journal is a far cry from reaching out and saying “Hey, I read your profile,” (and really read the profiles, people, don’t just get off on the pictures) “and I see you are interested in this, that and the other thing.  I am into those too, would you like to talk?”

That’s all it is, people, talking!  You don’t have to show a face photo to carry on a conversation.  If you are so shallow you DO need a face shot to carry on a conversation, then we don’t want to converse with you.  How much effort does it take to type some words?  You’d be surprised at the possible result…  Some people are too stuck-up to talk to others, some may be too shy.  There isn’t much you can do to combat that.

If you are seeking something, actively look for it/them.  If you put up a profile, it isn’t right to just lurk and never deal with anyone.  I know some people are pushy, stalkery, creepy, but some are genuine people who have the same urges and needs you do, or their needs are at least complimentary to yours.

So before you dismiss that email, reject that chat request, block that person making an earnest inquiry, ask yourself “just how successful have I been at finding what I seek?”

I have someone I can play with, she has someone she can play with.  Do you?

Another thing that gives me (Jeff) a huge chuckle…  I love these dominants who come off tough by saying “if I choose you as my slave, you will eat my, as well as your own waste, you will live in torment, be stripped naked, whipped until you run out of blood, etc. etc.”

I know there will be a lot of people who disagree with me, and I respect that your dominant style is different from ours.  Having said that, no flame messages will be taken seriously.  Those who flame us after reading this, will only prove how not dominant they are. Those who knee-jerk reaction flame have no discipline and you shouldn’t be in control of anyone else as you are not in control of yourself.

If you show the restraint and discipline to take this opinion for what it’s worth (an opinion) then I applaud you and extend to you, the courtesies befitting a true dominant.

What would we do with a slave?

A slave is not to be stripped naked, but rather to be adorned with beautiful lingerie.  As eating human waste is unhealthy, it is not so much a good idea to have that as a slave’s diet, but rather teach the slave to cook for you delicious meals that the whole household can enjoy.  When it comes to inflicting pain, would it not be in both parties best interest to administer punishment for A) the sadistic satisfaction of the dom, and B) the masochistic satisfaction of the slave?  As opposed to inflicting maximum pain for “effect”.

While caging is fun, we prefer that our slave be well rested so that they may perform both their domestic duties as well as sexual duties to their utmost capability.  Let them sleep on the same bed on which they are tortured and sexually used.

Again, there are varying opinions, and ours may not be yours.  Perhaps my gist is, minor, unspoken kindnesses can go a long way to promoting better performance in slavery.

Been a while since we posted something here.  But, to be honest, this site has lost a great deal of its luster.  It seems that this site is mostly inhabited by lesbians seeking same.  That only works for 50% of our situation.  While that would be enjoyable to both of us, for her to have a tryst with another woman, there would still be someone who would be uncomfortable with that situation.  Usually (and correct me if I’m wrong here) but lesbians don’t want men anywhere near a sexual situation.  Even in dominance/submission, we see lesbians only wanting other lesbians.  So they would most likely not be interested in her, a bisexual.

Some of this site’s luster has been long gone.  We can’t blame the site, they are not responsible for the fact that its members either can’t or won’t read.  Accidents do happen, and there is always the curiosity seeker, but why any males would view our profile when we state that we are looking for a slave girl escapes us.

I even committed a similar mistake when I issued our usual “thank you for viewing our profile” message to a very nice young lady who viewed our profile. (No, it is not a form letter, if someone who may be a candidate views our profile; we thank them for expressing interest.) I made the mistake of not reading her profile more carefully as she categorized herself as a submissive.  Now we have nothing against submissive girls, we would host them for overnight or weekend sessions.  But I would not pursue the concept of ownership with a submissive.

We do have a scenario in our description.  Now that we are finally starting to settle down, we are starting to look seriously about how we would host a slave.  Where their quarters would be, how they could assist in our everyday lives and how we could contribute to making someone’s dream come true (provided they legitimately seek enslavement).  We are not rigid about the live-in situation as, to be frank, the quarters still contain many items that need to be removed before we can start to remodel to install the St. Andrew’s Cross, the high-back chair is still not completed, and there are many eye hook screws to be installed in the bed and the overhead joists.  We want to set up a rig for suspension.  The bed also needs to have casters installed to wheel the bed around the area while the slave is tied to the bed.  But this takes time.  We are aiming for the beginning of  next ear.

But building the trust that would lead to that sort of arrangement will most likely take more than the 5 months left in the year.  Would the candidate want to work?  Full time?  Part time?  Would they have a career they would want to import into the situation?  Would they want to walk away from their past life?  Would they be willing to be patient while the chamber is being completed?  Would they want to help complete it?  Would they want to maintain contact with family?

That brings us back to another strange point: How can single mothers want to be enslaved full time?  We have heard from candidates who want us to take in their young children.  How does that work?  How do WE explain to someone else’s child that “Mommy can’t take care of you right now, she is tied, gagged and helpless in the dungeon downstairs, where you are not allowed to go…”?

Please, by all means view our profile.  Check our preferences, and if you are an unattached, female bisexual slave, seeking full-time, 24/7 total power exchange (with options) feel free to contact us.  If you are just a looky-loo, don’t expect us to contact you.  We are going to be more proactive in reaching out to those we feel to be appropriate candidates, if you fit into the above categories, and you receive either a “thanks for viewing our profile” message or a “we saw your profile and want to talk to you” type message (again, we do not do form letters as every person’s situation, every person’s wants, needs and desires are different, you can’t treat it like an assembly line), please know that we are serious, quite real and very able to carry out what we express in our profile, or in correspondences with you.

She being a former pro-domme, can produce references.  He is, literally, a life-long lifestyler.  Candidates should be prepared for bondage, should be masochistic, and be willing to perform tasks both menial and sexual in everyday servitude.

Most of all, candidates should be willing to make new friends.  We are not above befriending our property.

Serious inquiries only.

You really can learn something new everyday!  A lovely lady we were corresponding with made a very astute observation, one that we feel needs to be expounded upon.

No, we would not turn away those sub girls who only want weekend slavery, play partners, etc.

So all female submissives are welcome to approach.  Also, feel free to approach us for advice.  Together, we have over 70 years experience (yeah, we know we are showing our age…).

Howdy hey all you New Yorkers, I just want to put out a fake warning.  Someone, a sub female is not serious in her intent to find “a master/mistress”.  Because of CollarMe’s policy of removing a journal post if it contains anything negative about a specific member (using their name is cause enough), I can’t tell you WHO this member is in this journal, but if you are in NY, and you are corresponding with someone who has the same last name as the actress who played Kelly Bundy in the old show “Married With Children”, and has the first name as the alleged “virgin” mother, think again.

Actually, here handle here on CollarMe is the “virgin” mother’s name and a number.  Nuff said.

She’ll waste your time, say what you want, then blow you off and blame the internet, even though you see her log on and off.

We hate fakes!

No, you’re not going to get us down, you are not going to discourage us, dissuade us.  We have a solid relationship, so you won’t be coming between us.  As a live-in slave girl, your place is underneath us.

This doesn’t mean that we don’t want you as s friend.  We are not seeking eternal 24/7, some days it might be nice just to hang out with a friend (but you will be doing all the fetching, serving etc., even on “off days”).

If we approach you, either one of us, we are serious.  We contact only those we feel we have potential with.

So go ahead, lead us on, tell us what we want to hear, make plans you have no intention on keeping…

Because for every eight hundred fakes, there WILL be that one gem, that one diamond in the rough.

We are quite adept at offering sage wisdom.  We both have been doing this since we were pre-teens.  For all you who have age limitations (no one under XX) we take pity on you as you are passing by a wellspring of knowledge and experience.

But for those of you who truly feel that desire, truly feel that yearning inside, and know it is unquenchable, talk to us.  We may not be compatible for whatever reason (geography, sexuality, orientation choice) but we are experienced and friendly.  Help is but a mouse click away.

If you are FEMALE, unattached and able to abandon your current lifestyle for the life you have yearned for, dreamed of, then contact us.  We are real, serious, safe, sane and consentual.

"A disillusioned face on a disappointed security seeker!"

It was pointed out (again) that I did not have a picture of her in the profile.  So many people think I am a male dangling a fake female in my profile text.  There is a picture of her in the profile now, so I hope that lends some credibility to our search.

Again, that search is limited to bisexual female slaves or live-in submissives.  No trans, no men.

You can read what we are looking for in previous journal postings for specifics.

“The best laid plans, never get laid”, as the song goes.  We have finally managed to evacuate the elderly house in the Lehigh Valley, and we are fully moved into the new digs.  But between the three generations of stuff that was here, and combining two more households into one, it gets tough.

The most heartbreaking aspect of this is, we are currently using the space we designated as a play space has become nothing more than a dumping ground for all the excess stuff.  Much of it needs to either donated to charity, sold to any friends who may want them, or put up on eBay if they are rare or valuable.

This is most disheartening as our St. Andrews cross lays on its side, uninstalled, most of our play equipment has been relegated to being stuffed back into travel bags (not good for the business ends of whips, crops, etc.).

All of this equals the disappointing realization that we will be postponing our live-in slave girl search.  We will still talk to potential candidates, but it would be best if that candidate is patient, willing to discuss either by phone, email, chat, etc., and not in too much of a rush.

It would be a dream come true if that candidate would be willing to help with some of the tasks involved in getting that play space ready for action.

Mistress has found employment so now, all of the work falls on my shoulders, which I don’t mind.  But there are several tasks and I am but one being.

I guess it would be fair to say, ‘Help Wanted”!

No better way to spend a snow storm than to tie her up and have my way with her in every room!  About time we broke this big old house in the right way!

Pictures, pictures, pictures…  Everybody wants pictures.  Well we are happy to supply them, but right now, we find ourselves just too busy to dress and prepare a set and pose.  Our chamber is still not ready as we just sent some of the leftover items I spoke about in a previous journal to an auctioneer.  It seems some of the things we found in the new house were worth being auctioned off.

We also want to put our best foot forward when make our visual presentation.  Admittedly we aren’t models, but we aren’t trolls either.  Just average looking folks who want to make a good impression.  I spend so much time moving, cleaning and organizing things, shaving has become a back-burner thing.  I don’t like having facial hair, but time is such a factor at this point…

She is not happy with her weight.  She just lost a relative and unfortunately her grief manifested in weight gain.  So we want to get ourselves in shape before we go posting pictures.

I recall sending someone an honest picture of myself and then never hearing from them again.  So we know there are people out there very hung up on looks.

We’d rather hear from people of substance who are looking for people with brains and experience, not just looks.

So when we have our collective shit together, we will post pictures on this profile (we can’t show faces due to the very real fact that we were nearly outted by someone else on this site) and if we make a connection we can send you pictures, webchat, etc.

But we have to know you are interested, sincere and for real first.  Let us know!

J&L