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Male Dominant, 32, Los Angeles, California
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Male Dominant, 59, Austin, Texas
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About LordEl
I am a Master/Dom with more than 30 years in the scene. I do not seek a harem or a stable of slave/subs. I seek one special, attractive, young, abject sub in search of complete refinement. she must expect TPE and control of her physical, mental, emotional and spiritual being. Games will not be tolerated. Honesty and candor are imperative. I am not cruel but I am stern and demanding. Only serious subs need respond. |
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I recently read a CM profile that asserted that every person on CM was "futilely trying to avoid heartache." Dismissing the notion that everyone anywhere can be lumped into any category, the person who wrote that theory makes a good point about many of those who enter into slave contracts and some of those who enter into long term BDSM relationships. That said, that's the intent of most people entering into marriage. After all, don't they promise to love, honor and obey till death do them part. Nevertheless, roughly 50% of all marriages end in divorce and 70% of those who have been married will divorce at some point. Thus, neither BDSM relationships nor vanilla relationships can be certain to survive.
On a more personal note, I've "owned" a number of slaves during my many years in the scene. To the best of my knowledge, at least three of those I've owned are still living but are no longer my possessions. Each ended in different ways but each was painful and sad. I am confident that each of my former slaves are far better people today than they were when we met but none became as complete as I would have hoped. It takes a significant investment of time, effort and energy to train a slave in all the ways she needs to be trained, which includes making her the best person she is capable of becoming. It is that goal that takes the most effort and cooperation and takes the longest. One of my slaves was in training for nearly 20 years. It takes time. It is for that reason that it makes little sense to take on a slave that is too old, too set in her ways or who is convinced she already knows how to be all she can and should be.
All the above in mind, I don't delude myself that any relationship into which I'll enter will last forever. It would be wonderful if it lasted the remainder of my time on this plane but, realistically, it will last as long as it lasts. I hope to find a partner that will become all she can be under my training and tutelage but I know any slave I take on will leave me a far better slave and person than she was when W/we met. That is a great deal to offer and perhaps it will be enough to last a lifetime.
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Despite the host of those that claim to be Doms or Masters, the role, like a Masters Degree one earns from a University requires knowledge. The primary knowledge it requires is an understanding of how and why the endorphin release that produces subspace can best be safely created, sustained and managed before, during and after it is created. Without that knowledge fulfilling BDSM activity is largely left to chance. It isn't about looks or love and it isn't an accidental occurrence, it is about knowledge and trust born of the awareness that a Dom or Master knows His role and the responsibilities that accompany that role.
Whenever I visit this site I find profile after profile that express the preferences of the self-proclaimed sub or slave, as though those preferences had anything to do with the ability of a Dom or Master to successfully perform His role. Age, looks, color and the many other traits called for in the profiles of these individuals are relevant to the vanilla desires of those who create them, but have almost nothing to do with the dynamics of the BDSM experience or how well a Dom or Master can create the much sought subspace experience. It is much like suggesting that the age, looks or color of a vibrator affect its ability to create an orgasm. If a vibrator can produce an orgasm, any well functioning vibrator will do the job. Some may be faster, some slower but it is the vibration that does the job, not the person wielding it. Some may prefer a phallic vibrator, some a Magic Wand-type, some a smaller "pocket rocket" type, but it isn't the hand holding the vibrator that does the job. Certainly a knowledgeable hand guiding the vibrator will interpret the responses of the person to whom it is being applied better than an inexperienced hand, but the age, looks or color of the vibrator doesn't significantly affect its effectiveness. As a side note, it is believed that Cleopatra used a box filled with bees as her vibrator.
Honesty, most would agree, is an important part of BDSM. Since trust is an important part of the scene, there is little doubt that is true. Honesty starts with being honest with oneself. sub and slaves would be far better off and far more honest if they realized that whatever preferences they express regarding age, looks, color or many other traits may be relevant to the vanilla interaction between Dom and sub or Master and slave but an inexperienced sub or slave is safer and more likely to be fulfilled by a knowledgeable and experienced Dom or Master than a less experienced one. If she seeks a vanilla relationship, vanilla factors may be valid considerations but if she wishes to discover the depth and fulfillment BDSM can yield, knowledge and experience are the key, not vanilla factors. |
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A few days ago I read the profile of a self-declared submissive who complained about a male who had written to her claiming the reason women should be submissive to men was that men are superior to women. Apparently, she challenged his claim, so he blocked her. I found the chain of events she reported interesting because both had understandable positions for their respective actions. She was right in her position, but not her challenge. He was within his rights to block her, since she obviously wasn't the kind of submissive he was seeking, making further exchanges pointless.
What I found intriguing was that she did such a poor job of defending her objection to his assertion. This set me to thinking about my own attitudes toward the equality of men and women. I won't cite the member's handle here, as it would serve no purpose, but I wrote to her to clarify the status of men and women in the world of D/s, to which she hasn't responded. In my note I used the example of Apples and Oranges, observing that neither is superior, but they are different and thus incomparable in the literal sense of that term. All analogies limp at some point but I have since come to recognize that Apples and Oranges has more applicability than previously noted. Apples become superior to Oranges when one is selected over the other. the act of selecting it makes it superior for the selector, if only in that instance. Much the same is true of a Dominant selecting a submissive: being selected elevates her above other submissives but it cannot elevate her above him. Likewise, her selection of him elevates him above other men, perhaps even other Dominants, if only in that instance. The deciding factor is that in the ways that are important in the world in which we live the traits that make males male are dominant over the traits that make females female, though both are nearly indispensable. I know of no culture in the world where women are dominant over men, even when women out number men by significant numbers. This is not true in all the animal kingdom, but it is true in mammals. There may be only one adult male in a pride of lions, but regardless of how many females are in the pride, there is only one Alpha male. Contenders may arise but if they cannot defeat the Alpha male, they must leave the pride and start their own if they wish to be Dominant. We have, in theory, become more civilized as humans. We co-exist with many other Alpha males, we generally skip the confrontation, but the core principle remains. females are submissive to Dominant males who are bold enough to recognize their dominance, declare it and defend it.
None of this makes males superior to females but it is part of the male role to be Dominant. Males as a group are stronger than females; the strongest male will always be stronger than the strongest female. Women as a group are more nurturing; the most nurturing female will always be more nurturing than the most nurturing male. The reasons are biochemical but the result is primal. Men as a group are more decisive, females better multi-taskers. Women have higher threshold's for pain; men are physically larger. The list of differences is long but any of the traits is only superior to the other dependent upon the task that needs to be accomplished. If one wants a person to build or protect the home and hearth, I'd want a male for the job. If I wanted someone to manage and care for the home and hearth, I'd want a woman. This doesn't mean a woman can't build a house or protect it. it doesn't mean a male can't manage and care for a home. It does mean that men as a group are better at the tasks for which they are genetically pre-disposed and women are better at their genetically pre-disposed tasks. Being male, I want a women for the things she is biologically, biochemically and psychologically best suited. She is superior at those things and she should do them. She is my compliment. I'm a large man but I've known women that outweighed me by 100 pounds but they weren't stronger. I won't address the subject of females in the Dominant role but I would never want a submissive that was bigger, stronger or more decisive than I, and I doubt I'll ever find one. Fortunately, I'm not looking for one. |
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I've been visiting CM for some time now and even met a sub I thought might be worth consideration. she turned out to be too bi-polar to be managed without serious psychotropic drugs, but she was in denial. Fortunately, I discovered this before accepting her as my slave. Beyond that, CM has largely been a fruitless endeavor, apart from the ocassional interesting photograph.
I readily admit that I'm rather old school when it comes to WIITWD. Before BDSM became a another kind of kink that some use to enhance their bedroom activities and sub or slave became a label people used to try to attract partners that might not otherwise considered them, the titles sub, slave, top, bottom, Dom, Master, Lord and a host of others had fairly precise definitions. At least they described a spectrum of the types of activities those who adopted those labels sought. Those definitions have become muddy precisely because those that use BDSM as bedroom play or added incentive for others to accept them as a partner aren't truly what they label themselves. They have little understanding that BDSM isn't about an activity, it's a state of mind that grows out of a state of being.
Those of us that have been engaged in BDSM for many years don't decide to engage in WIITWD, it is who we are as beings, sexually and psychologically. Just as being heterosexual influences every interaction between those of the opposite gender, BDSM influences every interaction between us and others. Just as being heterosexual doesn't mean that one wants to become sexually involved with every other person of the opposite gender they encounter, being sub, Dom, Sadist or masochist doesn't mean one wishes to submit to or Dominate, punish or be punished by everyone they encounter, but it is a part of their interpersonal dynamic. All this should be obvious; what isn't so obvious is a larger parallel. Whenever a heterosexual is in a sexual situation, a decision must be made about how to handle that situation. In other words, if a person of the opposite sex presented themself naked or seductively attired and indicated a willingness to enage in sexual activity, the person to whom the offer is being made would have to decide whether or not to engage. If they decided not to engage, the situation would require some delicacy in declining, lest one hurt the feelings of the person making the offer. Much the same occurs when one identifies as a sub, slave or masochist. Identifying oneself in that way is to a considerable degree an invitation to Doms, Masters or Sadists to engage in Dominant, Mastering or Sadistic behavior. It might not be quite as blatant as stripping naked but it is certainly equivalent to dressing provocatively. In a live encounter, for example at a munch, the usual no BDSM dynamic) to kinky, to the most hardcore BDSM dynamic. I know where I fall on that spectrum but I can't judge the hearts of others, thus where anyone else falls. Each individual must determine this for him/herself, I simply wish that those for whom this is simply kinky play would find their own place to play, they're giving BDSM a bad name.
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Collarme is Collarme, not "Love Is A Many Splendid Thing." I think confusion over that issue is the reason for so much lamenting over the attitude some Doms convey in their messages. If one were trying to win the heart of a vanilla woman, one might be inclined to spout sweet, flowery prose and genuflect if she responded favorably. Part of what makes a Dom a Dom is the very resonable expectation that subs and slaves want to be subs and slaves, not damsels to be won. When a self-declared sub or slave sets all manner of conditions on who she will submit to or who can be her owner, she is asserting that she is entitled to a privelidge reserved to those outside the BDSM community. Entry into the BDSM community changes the rules. The titles "sub" and "slave" are proud titles, but they are earned, just as the title Master or Dom should be earned. Back in the day, you couldn't call yourself a Dom or Master until you had dominant control of a sub or ownership of a slave, with all the responsibilities those roles demand. It seems that in today's BDSM community the desire to control or own is sufficient, even if all you've actually done is spanked a girlfriend or engaged in rough sex. Such behavior may be indicative of Sadistic tendencies but they aren't bona fides for a Dom or Master. I won't get into the original meaning of the title "Lord," but it encompassed more responsibility than either Dom or Master. So, if you're going to describe yourself as a sub or slave, you should at some point have been a sub or slave, otherwise you're a wannabe, at best. Whatever your tendencies, whatever the limitations CM places on how you classify yourself, your profile can make it clear whether you're entitled to wear the title sub or slave. If you're not, make it clear in your profile that you don't really know what you are, that you're exploring your tendencies, looking for kinky sex, want an alpha male partner or whatever your genuine position in WIITWD. It will spare you a lot of misunderstanding and perhaps hurt feelings. It will spare those with whom you interact wasting a lot of time trying to explain what should be evident in the heart of a genuine sub or slave. |
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Almost every time I visit CM I find a new list of females professing to be submissive or slave. With amazing frequency they claim or complain that they have received pages of notes from professed Dominants. They typically go on to state that they will delete unread any notes from those that don't have photos. This is, of course, a clear statement that these are superficial girls who intend to judge a book by its cover and demand that the cover be displayed to facilitate their purported explorations. I have never read a sub/slave profile that states that profiles without revelatory journal entries that describe a Dom's BDSM philosophy and predilections will be deleted. These aspects of a Dom's personality will dictate the rules under which a slave will live and the philosophy that will guide the scenes in which a sub would be a participant, yet it never seems to be a consideration. submissives and slaves run the gamut from dumb as a post to smart as a whip yet this lack of intellectual curiosity seems bound to convert ignorance into stupidity, and there's no cure for stupid.
If we assume, a priori, that all subs and slaves are not stupid, what would explain their lack of intellectual curiosity? I can come up with a few theories. One possibility is that they hold the romantic notion that their perfect Dom will send a custom crafted note that will sweep them off their feet--which is one way to get to ones knees--or at least intrigue them enough to want to respond to request further seduction. Most are likely to find this an unsuccessful strategy. Most Dom's are not pimps, they may not be seductive writers and the role of "Prince Charming" is somewhat antithetical to the straight-forward honesty that should typify the Dominant.
A second theory is that subs/slaves are either lazy or extremely insecure, which might explain why they need to be dominated, to get them to take action, even when taking action is in their own best interest. A sub/slave that is seriously interested in finding an ideal, or nearly so, Dominant would actively read the profiles of those Dominants that are prospective partners. This investigation might be constrained by whether or not relocation is practical or other such logistical factors but those who are serious about finding a partner must take the actions necessary to do so. Coming to CM is a first step, but only a first step. Attending a meeting of a BDSM organization, or frequenting a BDSM theme bar, party, munch or whatever is available in their area but not speaking to the others in attendance, waiting for someone to compel them to speak, doesn't move one closer to finding a partner, it merely makes one aware that there are partners in their area. Similarly, posting a profile and waiting for someone to compel them to communicate isn't going to happen.
Still a third theory is that many professed subs/slaves are actually looking for a vanilla relationship with some degree of kink thrown in to keep things interesting. and a bit forbidden. This makes CM a kind of eHarmony for the kinky. They want to be seduced by purported Doms that can read between the lines of their profile and spot them for what they are and they hope that that purported Dom is actually, like them, really looking for a vanilla relationship with some degree of kink. The math works heavily against female purported subs/slaves, since males seeking that sort of relationship don't need CM, they can go to any local club and find plenty of females that will happily engage in such relationships, but hope springs eternal.
So, how is a sincere sub/slave to find a good Dom on CM? The answer is simple but the process takes work. Thus, if laziness or insecurity is the correct theory, very few will find partners. Of course, those are better prospects than if the "Prince Charming" theory is correct but it may be better than if the vanilla with kink theory is correct. Best of all, for those who are either too lazy or too insecure, their fate is in their own hands. They can start reading profiles and sending notes to those Doms whose profiles seem to convey a philosophy and predilections that is compatible with their own. If they open the lines of communication, ask questions about areas that are unclear, and invite further communication, perhaps a public meeting and see where things go from there, they'll have a far better chance of finding a good partner, a partner compatible with their philosophy and predilections. A happy sub/slave is a sub/slave with a good partner; seek and yea shall find. |
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I have been visiting Collar Me for more than five years and I continue to visit from time to time. I have no expectation that I will find anyone worthy of My consideration, but reading the profiles of those who join is amusing. As some of My earlier Journal entries may reveal, I have been wrestling with the disconnect between what people say they are--submissive or slave--and what they actually are based on what they disclose through their profile. Dismissing the scammers W/we all know visit Collar me fairly routinely, only to vanish when they have been reported and removed by our hosts or they realize that CM is not the fertile ground they might have envisioned. Then there are the out and out fakes; individuals that think putting up a profile on CM is good for a few laughs. I suspect W/we all have had those psychotropically altered nights when anything imaginable was funny. When morning comes, if they remember having visited CM at all, the profile, usually lacking any meaningful detail, is abandoned and forgotten.
The bulk of the profiles on CM are intended as good faith efforts to share some information about themselves with those who view their profile. After more than five years I have come to be persuaded that most of these profiles are unintentionally disingenuous. Part of the problem is that CM doesn't offer labels that can accurately convey the predilections of those creating profiles. Submissive, Slave and Switch don't come close to reflecting the breadth of diversity of those who self-identify as interested in or participating in BDSM. For example, as I have learned, the preponderance of those who identify as "submissive" are actually seeking a vanilla relationship with some kink in the form of BDSM role play. Some are straightforward in admitting this in the body of their profile, most are not. The moment one reads a qualification other than sexual orientation: whether race, height, weight, age or what you will, it is clear the poster is seeking someone to fulfill a role. Their criteria are much like the information in a casting call. To continue the analogy, the Dominant is the Director, our CM hosts have set themselves up as the casting directors but without providing the training or tools necessary to do a proper casting. Those who post profiles are seeking roles in a Director's production but without knowing the role they are applying to play or even the words that might be used to describe the role they wish to play. Small wonder their applications, in the form of their profiles, are mislabelled, if not disingenuous.
The genuine heartfelt submissive, like the dedicated thespian, doesn't t care with whom she will play her role or what role she will play, she will play whatever role the Director gives her to play, being happy to be part of the production. Like any actress, she doesn't get to qualify or pick her Director, she doesn't get to pick her fellow players and she doesn't get to re-write the script. All analogies limp at some point, and this one is no exception. Anyone bold enough to Direct her is her Director. Anyone who is confident enough to issue orders to her is her Director/Dominant for the moment, unless or until she accepts the Collar of One Dominant/Director she then calls "Master."
W/we who join and visit CM don't get to dictate how CM is run. It isn't a democracy and the whim of our hosts and technology dictate the identifying labels on each profile. It would be very useful to have "vanilla-sub" or some such option as a way to indicate that the person posting the profile is seeking a primarily vanilla relationship with some kink in the form of BDSM role play. In some cases this role play will be limited to the bedroom, in others it will extend to some of the private interaction between the P/parties. Unless it extends to all the interaction between the P/parties, not as role play but as part of who they are as individuals, it isn't a fully BDSM relationship and the P/parties aren't Dominant and submissive, they are V/vanilla people intermittently playing the roles of Dominant and submissive.
A Dominant is dominant in His interactions with anyone and everyone He encounters. Not everyone He meets will be submissive but whether or not they are, he remains His Dominant self. Frankly, He cannot be otherwise. He may modulate His manner and behavior to suit His environment, because it suits his purposes, but He is always a Dominant. The same should be true of the submissive. she should submit to all who instruct her or give her orders. she is, in her heart, a people pleaser who finds joy in pleasing all those she encounters. one cannot be a people pleaser without being a person pleaser, so she is submissive to all those who find joy in dominating her. Circumstance may motivate her to deny her need to submit but the need remains. For those for whom that is not true, they are neither submissive or slave, they are, at the most extreme, people who enjoy acting submissively at some times with some people. submissiveness is not heart of their heart, bone of their bone. Such individuals are not wrong, or bad, they are simply not submissives, they are what I chose to call "vanilla-subs." They are ideal matches for those who like to play at being a dominant at times, with some people. If only such people could more readily find each other, they would leave the course clear for those who are hard core Dominant or submissive. Alas, our hosts have not facilitated this identification, so We are left to read the profiles of those who don't really know who or what they are, and/or can't find a label that can express who and what they are. I lament the lack of adequate labels for these folks but W/we explore the world of BDSM with the tools we have, not the tools W/we want.
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There are a finite variety of types of female sub/slaves in the BDSM world and many, if not most, of those professed subs who have profiles on this site aren't any of them. Instead, they are fairly typical females, presumably with some taste/tolerance for kinky sex, with a desire to top from the bottom. This is common behavior from vanilla females. They want to dictate the race, age, marital status, build, taste in facial hair and any number of other traits as criteria for those to whom they will submit. And then there is the demand that the Correspondent include a photo. Frankly, any Dom that doesn't include a photo with his profile is making an unwise and perhaps disqualifying decision. Nevertheless, for a professed sub or would be slave to demand that a photo be included with a note is rude at best and probably should be disqualifying of her for any Dom that reads it. These demands are certainly not submissive, it is clearly topping from the bottom. Professed subs must come to understand that slaves don't get to choose their Masters, they at best have veto power, and while it is oft quoted that "submission is given, not taken," it is only the law and civility of our society that makes that true. Given the opportunity, a strong Dominant could extract submission from any submissive. It is small wonder that those who include these types of demands attract more wannabes than Doms, who are more likely to ignore such profiles.
None of what I've just written suggests that subs must drop to their knees and submit to anyone and everyone that demands they do so. Just as a sub should behave in a manner consistent with her submissiveness, a Dom/Master/Lord must behave in a manner consistent with his Dominance. That means demonstrating through His communication that He is strong, sane and respectful of the sub/slave. Demanding that the sub drop her life and relocate to be with Him is both less than sane and disrespectful of the fact that she has a life. Demanding that she obey His commands without ever having met Him is not a demonstration of His Dominance, it's a display of His insensitivity. It is not unreasonable for a sub/slave to expect to be approached with respect, or to withhold deference until a professed Dom has demonstrated traits consistent with Dominance. Demonstrating Dominance does not mean the ability to make demands, any infant can make demands. Demonstrating Dominance does not mean wielding the tools of punishment or the ability to inflict pain/pleasure. Applying a flogger, a paddle or a crop are physical skills that can be learned by anyone with reasonable coordination. Knowing when and why to apply these tools are the insights of a Dom. Knowing how and when to provide comfort are equally important and just as much a part of Dominance. Spouting insults at a sub/slave are not proof of Dominance. Any teenager can compose a string of insulting expletives. Choosing words that strike home for the particular sub/slave with whom He is interacting, that touch the nature of that sub/slave, that is the gift of the Dominant. Those talents and abilities cannot be ascertained through notes or superficial meetings. Confidence that a professed Dom is as He represents Himself to be takes time. A sub/slave will respond to the dynamic and develop trust over time. Until a sub/slave has had the opportunity to develop that trust, she is obligated, not by BDSM protocol but by social civility, to treat all those who treat her with respect with at least equal respect. Addressing all Dom/mes with whom she interacts as "Sir/Madam" is not too much to expect. Apology for declining a request from a Dom/me is not unreasonable. At the same time, a sub/slave is not out of line to inform a professed Dom/me that a comment, request or demand is rude or inappropriate. Rudeness from a professed sub/slave is almost never in order.
Finally, it isn't unusual for some subs/slaves to attempt to top from the bottom, just as it isn't unusual for an untrained sub/slave to speak inappropriately, out of turn or without due deference. Some adopt these behaviors for attention, or to elicit punishment but unless a Dom/Master intends to encourage such behavior, precisely the opposite tact should be taken in response. Ignoring, caging and/or isolation are proper responses. I have largely ignored these types of behavior as reflected in the profiles of many professed subs/slaves. The behavior has become so prevalent in the recent crop of profiles, however, that I come to conclude that it is ignorance that allows these subs/slaves, thus this journal entry. Most of those who have included criteria demands in their profiles or adopt an insolent attitude in chat areas won't read this journal, but a few will, and may benefit from it. The rest will continue to deal with the approach of wannabes or the rare Dom that enjoys such behavior. These sub/slaves will blame CM, the Doms on the site or anything other than their own attitude and behavior. In truth the fault is theirs and they will pay the price by failing to find the type of Dom/Master they claim to seek. I suppose there is justice in the punishment of loneliness but it is sad that such karmic punishment is necessary.
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I have learned from long experience that I'm by nature a romantic. I have the capacity to love passionately and profoundly. Part of being a romantic, however, is knowing when to allow that strong inclination in Me to hold sway. Women are women, whether vanilla, sub or slave they tend to seek romance as justification for or validation of their sexuality. Many women go so far as to claim they can't respond sexually without a romantic attachment to their partner. This is at best disingenuous in that these same women respond to toys, to which "romantic attachment" would be fetish. However significant the mental component, sexual response is almost solely physiological--just ask Masters & Johnson. Still, inculcated with Judeo-Christian cultural norms, many women, including subs/slaves persist in their assertion that romance is fundamental, if not essential, to their submission, not withstanding that BDSM is already outside most modern cultural norms. All manner of mental gymnastics are engaged in to give this qualification a shroud of logic, though most simply ignore this oxymoron. It is fair, however, to speculate that it is a combination of cultural indoctrination and puritan guilt that motivates the attachment to romance as license for sexuality.
"A Dom must win my heart to win my submission," in one variation or another, is a common refrain. Advocates of this reasoning bolster this argument with the true but trite observation that the mind is the most erogenous organ. Without examining all the flaws in the logic that ties these ideas together, it is interesting to observe that so many of those who embrace our alternate sexuality cling to this rather provincial attitude, but it is clear that many do. If this misguided belief had no downside, it would be irrelevant but it has significant down sides and, therefore, I believe the wisdom of this attachment is worthy of examination; and so I shall.
Even a cursory examination of the many female sub/slave profiles on this site, and listening to the chat that occurs at most BDSM events, strongly suggests that many subs/slaves prepare to embark on a path toward a romantic relationship rather than a more purely submissive or subservient one. They definitively and unapologetically assert that this is imperative. The passion with which they argue the rationality of this requiem is suspect but the hostility many add to their insistence is more telling. Because of this passion and hostility and the fact that the heart is only rarely persuaded by the mind, it is unlikely that this journal entry will change any hearts. It may, however, get some to thinking, reexamining their past relationships with an eye toward the reason for their failure. If they are honest in their assessment they will find that changes in the romantic dynamic was at the core of the failure. It could spare both Doms and subs a good deal of future grief if this writing informed their future judgments but if men too often lead with their dicks, women too often lead with their hearts; neither leads with their mind, the organ best suited to the purpose. This resistance should not preclude making the logical argument and so I will, while fully expecting a degree of wrath from the more vociferous on this site.
Logic dictates that physical attraction should not be a significant factor in determining the right partner for a female sub/slave in this lifestyle. It probably shouldn't be in choosing life partners generally but that is beyond the scope of this missive. Age, looks and other such factors are irrelevant to who wields a flogger, who trains a sub to organize her life, who ties the knots that bind her wrists without cutting off circulation and all other such activities. They are also serve as poor predictors of the potential durability of a relationship. Physical factors have negligible impact on how insightful a Dom will be or how responsible He will be in His comportment. It happens occasionally that the right Master for a slave is also a physically attractive and romantic match but if the predicate for submission/enslavement is vanilla style attraction, more often than not the relationship is probably doomed. Romantic attraction historically fades over time. However much W/we idealize the notion of preserving passion over the duration of O/our relationships, it at least changes over time and along with it the core bond of the relationship. This is why there are so many previously owned subs and freed slaves. Building a relationship on an eroding or at least shifting foundation is not a practice with reassuring prospects.
If romantic attraction and the associated physical appeal factors aren't well advised criteria for determining the best partner, what then are the criteria that predict a safe, sane, consensual and happily enduring BDSM relationship? That is a subject for another journal entry but there are far better predictors than those being embraced by most subs/slaves and I intend to examine them.
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submission and choice
Except for those profiles that serve as pronouncements that the profiled person is "only looking for friends," nearly every profile that contains any information provides the criteria the profilee will exercise in deciding upon the person with whom they hope to partner. It seems that exercising such choice has come to be expected, if not demanded, by almost every person in the BDSM scene. The cornerstones of the modern BDSM interaction are predicated upon choice: "Submission is given not taken," "under consideration," even safe words are examples of how choice is incorporated into the scene. It seems that this incorporation of choice is now so entrenched that it is heretical to challenge it. That said, whenever something becomes dogma or doctrine, it is time to examine it to test its validity. This journal entry will look at this orthodoxy.
In the majority of cultures the pairing of partners is dictated by the parents of the parties being paired. The prime reason for the pairing is typically economic but may be driven by religion, class, politics or, in rarer instances today, line of royal succession. Even in "modern" western cultures, where the betrothal practice has been largely abandoned, some groups exercise great pressure in the determination of marital partners. Female children often go from being their parents property to being their husband's property without ant exercise of her discretion but even males may be denied choice regarding their spouse. Dismissing the lengthy historical period during which cavemen claimed their mates by the divine right of clubbing any who disputed their claim, most partners have been chosen for reasons having little to do with their physical appeal to each other, apart from their potential fertility.
While poor choice is not the only reason, it is a predominant reason that any given marriage has no better than a 50/50 chance of succeeding and overall 70% of all marriages fail. Based on statistics alone it can be argued that the modern failure of relationships is proportional to the exercise of choice by those who elect to enter into relationships. Moreover, in a near complete inversion of the historical practice, males--usually fathers--picked their son's mates and their daughter's future husbands. Today women increasingly dictate who they date and thereby are most likely to marry. Reasoning from these facts, choice generally doesn't seem to be a good idea and female dictated choice appears a worse idea. Not withstanding the evidence that supports these conclusions, most sub profiles, under one theory those least logically entitled to exercise choice rather than submit to the choice of others, declare who can contact them and who they will consider as potential partners. Adding to the absurdity of these declarations of criteria, their criteria are almost always based on physical characteristics--typically stated as chemistry--rather than personality characteristics, which are far more crucial to the long term success of interpersonal relationships. It is small wonder that the younger and less experienced the submissive--both in BDSM and in life--the more likely the profile will place emphasis on superficial factors. It was either George Bernard Shaw or Bertrand Russell who said, "'Tis a pity youth is wasted on the young" but we are all "too soon old and too late smart."
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Most of My journal has been directed toward sharing my admittedly-old-guard attitudes regarding the declining respect of many in the community for protocol and the ambiguous, if not meaningful, use and mis-use of the terms W/we employ to communicate the nature of O/our practice of BDSM. I have, however, shared very little about My personal practice of the lifestyle or interactions in the scene. My pleasures in this scene are many, which is much of the lure--indeed My compulsion--toward D/s and to some degree SM. Since My knowledge of the lifestyle is neither theoretical nor solely intellectual, sharing some of that which pleases Me may help some of you who read My words to recognize yourself. If you do, you may contact Me so that W/we may explore O/our mutual passion.
Simply stated, my little one/servant/slut's obligation is to worship, serve, spoil, pamper and amuse Me. When My sub/slave fulfills these obligations, she pleases Me and is rewarded through My words and deeds. When she fails in these opportunities to please Me, she is corrected, admonished, chastised, humiliated, disciplined and, as a last resort, punished. Within the bounds of safety and sanity, punishments may be quite severe and may be protracted by nature and in duration. They are, however, pointedly directed toward modifying the attitudes and/or behaviors that motivated them. That said, I rarely find joy in administering punishment.
The nature of the rewards My sub/slave receives for her service to Me depend almost entirely upon the activities that please her and which also please and/or amuse Me. In addition, I favor activities that encourage and expand the bond between My slut and I. These may include allowing her to bathe Me--or I may elect to bathe her--allowing her to massage Me--or I may elect to massage her--allowing her to orally, vaginally, anally or otherwise sexually satisfy Me, whether or not I provide her with sexual stimulation or instruct her how to stimulate herself and/or whether I permit her to orgasm. Her orgasms are always at my discretion as is her chastity. I may, on occasion, permit her to bathe in My urine or, when I'm feeling loving, to drink My urine. I do not view any of these activities as punishment or humiliation. Rather, they are means of linking her service to Me to physical aspects of My being. I would no sooner deny her these pleasures than I would deny her the boon of cooking or cleaning for Me.
I expect My other to honor the rules of My lacto-ovo vegetarian household and to be frank, open and honest with Me in all regards and on all matters, In some relationships, at some times, with some partners I will closely monitor the dietary, exercise and dress practices I set for her. I will, on occasion, with some partners, impose speech restrictions. I may extend My control to all areas of My partner's life except, in some cases, her career, though I may advise in that area as well. As in any life relationship, no area is off limits for discussion but I may elect not to engage in some areas.
Though in times past I was far more amenable to open relationships, today I tend strongly toward monogamy, though in the case of a strongly bi-sexual partner I might permit exception. As long as My sub/slave fulfills My needs, which differ at various times, I have never found monogamy troublesome but a closed polyamorous relationship with the right partners would not be out of the question, though I am not compelled by the possibility. Obviously, no journal could begin to address all the issues that are part and parcel of a D/s relationship, each of which is dynamic. I am open to discussion on all matters but some are non-negotiable. It should, however, always be remembered that attitude, comportment and demeanor are essential elements of the behaviors I expect of My subs/slaves. All these and the practices I expect can be learned but a level of diligence is be required, therefore, only the serious need apply. |
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I recently came across a journal entry in a declared subs profile that gave me pause. Apart from the fact that she appropriated copyrighted material, including reproducing the copyright notice, but with no indication that she obtained permission from the copyright holder, who provides the following notice, "This work may not be reproduced in any form. Ever. Without my express written permission. And even then, you're asking for trouble." While I understand that copyrights are often ignored on the net, it is an infringement of the author's copyright, and therefore a theft of intellectual property. I hesitated to address the content of this declaration of sub rights because I initially felt I could not do so without compounding the copyright infringement. I emailed the copyright holder requesting permission to reproduce her writing but no response has been forthcoming. I am, therefore, confining myself to paraphrasing and limited quotations from only the first asserted "right." but I'm including the URL of the declared author so readers can decide whether I have fairly represented the author and her infringer's espoused position. [www.thescreamergirl.com/rights.htm]
The first "right" asserted is "to set limits," albeit with the expectation that those limits will be "pushed" and the sub "forced" to set new limits. Taken to its logical extension this "right" would allow a sub to set limits that would restrict a Dom to only vanilla activities. The Dom would then be "expected" to push those limits to "force" the sub to "create" new, less-vanilla "boundaries." Accepting, for sake of this discussion, that subs have the "right" to set limits, the term "limits" is ambiguous when accompanied by the "expectation" that those limits will be pushed with the intention that the sub will be "forced" to reset those limits. In practice this would amount to a hands-on approach to negotiating limits. However prone such practice would be to inhibiting spontaneity, it would also lay the groundwork for conflict during scenes and/or exploitation of the permissiveness encouraged by sub-space. If W/we can't come up with a better way to manage the issue of setting limits, W/we are doomed to absurdity.
D/s relationships are inherently not democratic. Moreover, it can be argued that it is the democratization of relationships that has led to the escalating divorce rates in "modern" cultures. With only two parties in a relationship, compromise notwithstanding, one or the other will more or less get their way in any disputed decision. The core decision, however, is the determination of who will have the tie-breaking vote. Disguised as a "right," this first assertion that the sub has the "right" to set limits gives the sub the tie-breaking vote. This fully inverts the D/s dynamic and makes a mockery of the concept of a D/s relationship. Subs have only one "right"--in theory slaves relinquish even that "right"--the right to leave or stay in their relationship. The wise Dom may grant the sub additional privileges, such as permission to negotiate limits, some degree of privacy, permission to ask for attention, respect for safe words during scenes--more questionably during punishment--permission to ask for her needs to be addressed, permission to express her feelings, etc. The sub can also justifiably expect that the bounds of safety and sanity will be respected. A subs consent is granted by agreement to engage in the interaction, whether in a scene or a relationship. If, on the other hand, the Oprah approach to D/s takes hold, Doms become subs and their limits become, "if you don't follow my orders, I'm leaving." When did the D/s world become Bizarro land? |
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As stated in my earlier journal entry, I'm propose to explore the issue of whether declared subs have the right to decline any logistically feasible, safe, sane and legal instruction from any Dom/Master/Lord. Now is the time this is the place.
All choices have consequence. No one in the BDSM community is forced to declare themselves Dom, sub, slave or switch and none should make the declaration under duress. One could simply state that they enjoy some type or level of "kink" as part of their sexual expression. Many in the vanilla world practice their preferred "kink" or fetish without declaration. At one time the declaration that one was a "sub" meant that one was submissive to All who were declared "Dom" or "Master." The closest analogy was to the military, wherein all Privates are "sub"--in that case subordinate, rather than submissive--to All Officers. As such they were obligated to follow all legal orders from any Officer. Some issues arose when Officers of various ranks issued conflicting orders but the principle maintains. The collar addressed those issue in the BDSM community. A collared sub is always obligated to follow the instructions of their Owner above all others. In some local BDSM communities these protocols continue to be respected. Thus the issue was resolved. A person visiting a BDSM group could be a declared "bottom"--as distinct from masochist--and retain the right to accept or decline orders--though topping from the bottom has always been frowned upon--but a declared sub was submissive to all orders from All Dom/Master/Lords who issued them.
On CM the designations "sub," "slave," and "switch" are nearly meaningless, which explains much of the conflict, confusion and consternation that arises in the interactions between seeking parties. It also explains much of the venomous rhetoric found in the profiles of those declaring themselves "sub." The fact that many who aren't seeking partners use CM as a resource for maintaining contact with friends in the scene compounds the problem, adding frustration to the efforts of those earnestly seeking partners. I hasten to add that O/our hosts at CM are to be praised for their conspicuous efforts to run a great space but, as stated earlier, all choices have consequence. W/we who make use of the service that CM provides more effectively than any other site on the web of which I'm aware, must deal with the reality it presents, unless O/our hosts at CM elect to add a number of other categories to the five they currently offer. I would suggest that "bottom" more accurately describes the majority of those who are unattached and looking. A separate grouping to distinguish those who are seeking partners from those who aren't--those seeking friends, knowledge etc.--would also be useful. An orientation category for "same" could facilitate distinguishing partners who are true prospects from those who are only seeking same sex partners. This would be useful for the many subs seeking same sex partners to add to their pairing, as well as Dom/mes seeking partners open to the opposite gender. I hope O/our hosts will consider these emendations. |
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There is argument about the roots and underpinnings of BDSM in those who are attracted/compelled to it. This debate persists in both the BDSM community and the psychological community. Some believe it is their nature, that they were born Dominant, submissive or switch; others believe it is nurtured behavior, learned through the dynamic of their parental and/or authority figures during their formative years. Like sexual orientation, some, usually those who disapprove of O/our predilections and behaviors, believe it is a choice; others believe it is as much a part of O/our psycho-sexual make-up as sexual orientation, Whichever theory one subscribes to, I am aware of no definitive research that confirms or refutes the hypothesis, not withstanding the fact that the debate still rages in some circles regarding nature/nurture and choice regarding sexual orientation. In the final analysis, it is probably irrelevant to most of U/us how W/we came to recognize O/our BDSM attraction, once O/one embraces it as a part of their personality, to whatever extent they embrace it, they need to find a counterpart to find fulfillment. The process of "finding" a partner requires identifying those with whom they are potentially compatible. Toward that end, and for other reasons, W/we in the community of declared BDSMers have tried to develop language that helps communicate O/our particular orientation. Despite its utility, this effort seems to have caused, or at least encouraged, some unintended consequences. It seems that some declared subs and slaves have taken O/our nomenclature as license to be quite specific about who can communicate with them as part of their search for potential partner(s). This is not only lamentable but deplorable. I propose to examine this irony.
Without taking a position on the practice, if submissives were to be strictly consistent with their declared role, they would effectively surrender their right to decide to whom they submit through the act of declaring themselves submissive. Those unwilling to submit to All who declare themselves as Dominant might more accurately describe themselves as "bottom," but not submissive. Placing limitations on Those who can contact them would then be "topping" from the bottom. It is clearly not strictly submissive behavior. Some might dismiss this as a simple gap in O/our language tools but attitude that too often accompanies the statement of these restrictions suggests it is more disrespectful, if not mean-spirited.
Regardless of whether one has previously been a sub or even a slave, placing limitations on who may contact one or how they may be contacted is antithetical to their declared role, and as such hypocritical, if not dishonest. It might even be argued that declared lesbian sub/slaves that state "No Men" or worse, in Internet speak, "NO MEN," are out of line. A Dom may be wasting His time to contact a declared lesbian but it is His time to waste. A sub may state preferences--while a slave may only state preferences if asked or given permission--but preferences aren't typically binding on a Dom/Master/Lord. Should a Dom/Master/Lord elect to contact a declared sub, she might respectfully decline His advance but not restrict His right to do so. If a declared Dom is disrespectful in His advance, she may state her objection, or on CM block Him, but, whatever her previous experience, doing so does not justify prior restraint. Obviously, if one is collared, owned or even under consideration the instructions of their Dom/Master/Lord would prevail, but under strict protocol unattached subs might not even be permitted to decline any logistically feasible, safe, sane and legal instruction from any Dom/Master/Lord. Alas, strict protocol--much like the respect of minors for their elders--is a declining practice of the S/social fabric, but I'll leave that issue for another day. |
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Apparently some in the BDSM community are unfamiliar with the use of the term "Lord" as I and some others use the term. In the late 60s some of Us in the New York area recognized that there was a clear and useful distinction that could be made between Those who were Doms/Dommes--whose partners were submissives--and Those who were Masters/Mistresses--whose partners were slaves. There were also Those who were both Dom/Domme and Master/Mistress-whose partners might be either. These individuals took to using the title "Lord" or "Lady," to indicate their dual role. The title has not gained widespread acceptance in the BDSM community but some of Us who endorsed these titles came to be known by them.
One of the reasons I visit this site is to establish and maintain contact with old friends from that era, many of whom have moved from the NY area. These individuals are most likely to recognize me by My title. Moreover, I am both a Dom and a Master and believe the distinction remains useful.
It seems some on this site are ignorant of the practice My title represents and have misconstrued it to have various egotistical meanings. Their ignorance is forgivable; their pomposity and the attitude that flows from it are harder to forgive, as it suggests a mean-spiritedness that should never be encouraged in this lifestyle. Perhaps some of those individuals will read this posting and learn. Alas, probably not, some think ignorance is bliss. I think a good scene comes much closer to bliss. |
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I've read a lot of female profiles on this site and some disquieting patterns have clearly developed. The most obvious is those sub that state they are new to the scene but then go on to state what she wants and/or doesn't want in a Dom--typically age, height/weight and facial hair--and often she adds a set of hard limits. There is no doubt that physical attraction plays a role in the D/s dynamic--it always has and that's unlikely to change--but for a novice to make such criteria paramount suggests that what she really seeks is romance with a bit of kink. There's nothing wrong with that but CM probably isn't the best place to find that type of Partner. The statement of hard limits, apart from those that are legally mandated, is almost laughable: How can one rationally set hard limits against activities with which one has never even been confronted?
And then there is the doormat line. I have little doubt that this site abounds with wannabe characters that claim to be Doms. Thus it comes as small surprise that some of them treat proclaimed subs and slaves poorly. Abusive individuals will act abusively and the anonymity of the web seems to encourage many to make statements they would be highly unlikely to make in person. In the context of a BDSM site I suspect they take even great license. For those of us who have lived in the scene for years, the most clearly defining distinction between the Dom and an abusive partner is the clear understanding that "sub" is short for submissive but not for subordinate. Attempts at discouraging the inconsiderate or abusive partner with warnings that she is "not a doormat" are doomed to failure. The Dom doesn't need to be told and the abusive and wannabe won't heed the warning. If anything it is likely to encourage those who engage in such behavior to direct their ire at those who declare they aren't doormats. Earnest subs should rest assured that experienced and enlightened Doms don't think their potential partners are doormats.
Finally, novices would do well to study the words of a verse I found posted in the journal of a CM member named fit2betied77. I don't know her and it isn't clear whether she wrote it or acquired it from another source but it is quite apt. she is to be commended for having recognized its truth:
Who am I?
I am His girl I ache to please Him I yearn to serve Him I long to worship Him I am His slut, His baby girl His toy, His possession, His love
My body burns for Him My heart beats for Him My soul longs for His possession~
I am His.....
Now... to find Him.~
A novice who can't embrace those words should certainly search her soul to determine whether she can ever be a good slave--notwithstanding the logistical issue--but if she doesn't require that her Partner be pleased for her to be pleased, she probably isn't even a submissive. The ability to derive her pleasure and satisfaction by pleasing others by submitting to their desires over her own is the very definition of being submissive. Such individuals may be a bottoms or a masochists but are unlikely to find fulfillment as a submissive.
It has occurred to Me over the years that if would be a daunting but useful task to develop a questionnaire the answers to which would help those who discover an attraction to the scene to determine their role within it. To the best of My knowledge there is no such questionnaire so those of Us who are truly seeking our ideal submissive partners will have to read lengthy profiles that often do more to obfuscate than clarify and take Our best guess as to the true desires of those who write them. |
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As I read the profiles on this site I am appalled that they reflect so much bitterness from so many self-described subs. If one puts up a profile on a site like CM, one has to expect that people will respond. I sometimes get queries from gay or transgender individuals, in whom I have absolutely no interest, still I don't insult them for expressing their interest in me. While argument can be made that subs should have no right to stipulate who can claim them, I am not nearly so absolute. I believe subs retain their right of choice until they ask to be considered for training, except within a consensual scene. What I find difficult to understand, and more difficult to accept, is why so many subs seem angry with everyone who isn't precisely what they want in a Partner. Stranger still, many of these self-proclaimed subs are admitted newbies to the scene. Nevertheless, they specify everything from age to hair style while delineating their personal list of likes and dislikes, plus a group of hard limits, the majority of activities which they've never experienced and may never even have witnessed. They desperately need to interact with knowledgeable and experienced Doms, yet they insult those who are old enough to have compiled that experience. They go on to bemoan the one-line notes they receive from wannabes and the form letters they receive from others. They insist they want personal notes that reveal that the writer has read their profile, yet they don't read and/or respond to notes that are carefully crafted. Small wonder that in short order they become disenchanted with CM, if not the entire BDSM scene. Of course, many of these individuals aren't being honest with themselves or those who read their profiles; what they really seek is a vanilla relationship, perhaps with a bit of kink, with a partner who isn't a wimp. Many are dilettantes, most aren't ready to truly submit and so they set up a gauntlet that no Dom will even attempt to run. I can only hope they will stop wasting the time of those of us who are earnestly searching. Alas, it is doubtful those who engage in such behavior are aware enough, or considerate enough to mend their ways, so this lament is probably in vain. Still, We can hope.
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It is amazing how many novice or near-novice purported submissives find their way to this site and post profiles with little or no information about themselves but often a list of criteria for what they want. Often this list sounds more like their requirements for a vanilla boyfriend than a Dom/Trainer. They have little or no clue of what a Dom/Trainer must invest into training a sub and less idea of what they will need to go through in the process of being trained. Starting from this ignorance is understandable--we were all ignorant at some point in our evolution in the scene--but failing to appreciate their state of ignorance can quickly move them into the realm of stupidity. Ignorance yields to knowledge and experience; alas, there is no cure for stupid. Perhaps the problem is that little is written by experienced Doms or subs about how to best begin the process of learning how to become a happy, healthy, well-adjusted sub. Few subs find their ideal Partners without a number of false starts, thus they aren't particularly well suited to describe how best to start. Few Doms find their partners, whether or not ideal, without investing tremendous effort into relationships that don't work out, thus they aren't well suited to describe the beginnings of a successful process. The commitment made by both Dom and sub in beginning a relationship, whether as a Trainer or otherwise. is significant. A degree of wariness is understandable; too much is inhibitive, too little dangerous. However, most D/s relationships don't start out on the Internet; they start like vanilla relationships, part serendipity, some earned trust, some blind faith and a lot of one on one interaction. Ultimately, that's how all relationships must develop. A limited amount of e-mailing, on-line chatting and phone conversation may serve some purpose but a real relationship doesn't begin until the first meeting. All the rest is prologue. |
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I continue to read profiles from purported subs that contain lists of requirements, limits and various protests, too often rudely worded, about them not being doormats. Perhaps I have been in the scene too long and have known too many true Doms that never treat subs as doormats but such writings, however just the issues being raised, are not the writings of a sub. They may be the writings of a bottom but not a respectful sub.
I recognize the artificial nature of writing a profile for a site such as this but the hashness of some purported subs writings leave serious doubt about the submissivness of their authors.
Is there a rules of which I'm unaware that gives subs on a site such as this the right to be rude yet expect to be recieve pleasant responses? That a sub will have requirements, limits and such can be readily assumed by any Dom worthy of the title. Expressing those requirements and limits in a rude manner is doomed to failure. It is likely to turn off true Dominants while doing little or nothing to dissuade wannabes and game players.
I think both Doms and subs will find that a bit of respect goes a long way toward navigating the road through this artificial pathway to meeting others of our persuasion. |
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Maybe I'm old-fashioned. More likely, those who seek relationships through the Internet do so, at least in part, to avoid real life contact. S/some may not even realize the ambivalence that drives T/their actions. Whatever the case, I have no interest in cyber interaction, phone sex or becoming pen pals. Further, I'm inclined to think the Net is antithetical to the type of profound relationship D/s interaction requires. Those who are truly interested in developing a relationship, D/s or vanilla, should, it seems to Me, agree to meet in person, talk face-to-face, test the physical chemistry that may or may not exist and generally interact under real world conditions. How else can O/one determine whether anything meaningful can develop?
I am not insensitive to the risk O/one takes in meeting a person with whom they have had only limited previous interaction but, as the prevalent recurrence of complaints about fakes and wannabes that appear in the profiles of subs and slaves indicates, interaction over the Net is small protection against such individuals. A meeting in a safe public place allows each party to evaluate the individual with whom they will be dealing using all the tools that are typically available in judging people. This isn't a perfect means of screening, particularly for the many inexperienced subs that post profiles, but it certainly provides a far better and equally safe way of meeting. I suspect that exchanges of email messages may actually increase the risks associated with a meeting, as such correspondence may foster a false sense of intimacy based on what may be carefully crafted e-mails that promote the idea that the author is other than what they purport to be. This is a sorry state of affairs but judging others through real world interactions is the best tool we have and, it seems to me, it should be used more fully.
D/s relationships have always required a great deal of underlying trust. How O/one can develop that trust without real life interpersonal relations is beyond me. For that reason the reluctance to meet face-to-face has proven a source of undue frustration to me. I have contacted a small number of subs who reside within a reasonable distance to me, and whose profiles offered enough information determine that they might make viable partners. I have written notes suggesting a meeting and received condescending, if not hostile, responses. I suspect these responses are prompted by some sense that I am attempting to move too quickly. If one claims to want a real life relationship, should they not be willing to meet in real life? It seems, once again, that life can be truly nonsensical. subs have an important role in forming solid D/s relationships. If they don't behave in a manner consistent with the goals they state in their profiles, it is small wonder they don't find the kinds of Doms they claim to want. |
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Male Dominant, 35
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Male Submissive, 33, Northern Jersey, New Jersey
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Male Dominant, 36, Wadsworth, Ohio
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Male Dominant, 53, Buffalo, New York
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Male Dominant, 55, New Orleans, Louisiana
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Male Dominant, 63, Springfield, Missouri
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Male Dominant, 28, Tampa, Florida
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Male Dominant, 40, Long Island, New York
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Submissive Couple, 50, Milton Keynes
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Male Dominant, 45, Springfield, Missouri
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Male Dominant, 45
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Male Dominant, 39
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