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Make 'python -m idle' work to start IDLE #75500

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rhettinger opened this issue Sep 1, 2017 · 7 comments
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Make 'python -m idle' work to start IDLE #75500

rhettinger opened this issue Sep 1, 2017 · 7 comments
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@rhettinger rhettinger commented Sep 1, 2017

BPO 31319
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title = 'Rename idlelib to just idle'
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@rhettinger rhettinger commented Sep 1, 2017

Currently, I start IDLE with:

  $ python -m idlelib.idle

It would be nice add __main__.py to simplify this to:

  $ python -m idlelib

And perhaps, more boldly rename the directory so that we get:

  $ python -m idle

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@serhiy-storchaka serhiy-storchaka commented Sep 1, 2017 •
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This is a duplicate of #68400.

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@rhettinger rhettinger commented Sep 1, 2017

I would also like Terry to consider renaming or aliasing idlelib to idle. That would further simplify the startup and it is a more appropriate name given that IDLE is used as an application rather than as a library.

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@rhettinger rhettinger changed the title Add __main__.py to IDLE Rename idlelib to just idle Sep 1, 2017
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@terryjreedy terryjreedy commented Sep 1, 2017 •
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idlelib.__main__ was added in 3.3: Patch was d543f2b
Author: Andrew Svetlov <andrew.svetlov@gmail.com>
Date: 3/26/2012 3:11:46 PM
Message: IDLE can be launched as python -m ildelib [misspelled]

#68400 was about backporting the addition to 2.7. I opened it after PEP-434 clearly made this permitted. The attempt had the problems described therein.
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I quite agree that 'python -m idle' would be nicer than 'python -m idlelib', just as the latter is nicer than idlelib.idle or idlelib.pyshell. However, switching would break every text (and program) that tell people about any of the latter three. That would include many of my (and other people's) Stackoverflow comments and answers. I am therefore neither inclined to do this, nor do I think I am allowed to by out back-compatibility policies.

My impression is that the directory name linking needed to make both work without two copies is OS specific and not something that can be done in the repository. I don't even know how to do it properly on Windows. I am not going to try to get all installer makers to agree to make a change.

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@merwok merwok commented Sep 1, 2017

What about adding a simple Lib/idle.py that imports and runs the main function from idlelib?

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@terryjreedy terryjreedy commented Sep 4, 2017 •
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Hi Éric. Adding idle.py would make -m idle work. But I believe it would violate existing policy. So I will not propose it on python-ideas or pydev and hope no one else does either.

PEP-434, at least in part, formalized what I believe was older practice with respect to idlelib. I was surprised by the negative reaction that ensued and do not want a repeat.

Raymond, I have considered this at length and see no prospect for a positive change at this time.

This issue reminded me to open #75510, to index 'idlelib' and better document the options for starting IDLE..

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@terryjreedy terryjreedy changed the title Rename idlelib to just idle Make 'python -m idle' work to start IDLE Aug 7, 2022
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@terryjreedy terryjreedy commented Aug 7, 2022

Summary of options to make 'python -m idle' start IDLE, with 3 more added.

  1. Rename idlelib to idle. Easy but rejected for breaking too much.

  2. Symlink idle to idlelib.

  3. Add /Lib/idle.py.

  4. (0+1) Rename idlelib to idle and symlink idlelib to idle.

  5. (0+2) Rename idlelib' to idleand idlelib`.

  6. Teach the -m function to recognize 'idle' as an alias for 'idlelib'.

  7. leave /Lib alone; the mechanism could be used for other modules if desired (though I have no candidates at the moment).

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pythongh-75500: Add idlelib section to IDLE doc (pythonGH-95832)
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This enables accessing IDLE as 'idlelib' in the Doc Module listing.
(cherry picked from commit 70fc964)

Co-authored-by: Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
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gh-75500: Add idlelib section to IDLE doc (#95832)
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This enables accessing IDLE as 'idlelib' in the Doc Module listing.
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pythongh-75500: Add idlelib section to IDLE doc (pythonGH-95832)
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This enables accessing IDLE as 'idlelib' in the Doc Module listing.
(cherry picked from commit 70fc9641b56144854777aef29c145cd10789e3df)

Co-authored-by: Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
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gh-75500: Add idlelib section to IDLE doc (GH-95832)
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This enables accessing IDLE as 'idlelib' in the Doc Module listing.
(cherry picked from commit 70fc964)

Co-authored-by: Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
miss-islington added a commit that referenced this issue Aug 9, 2022
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gh-75500: Add idlelib section to IDLE doc (GH-95832)
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This enables accessing IDLE as 'idlelib' in the Doc Module listing.
(cherry picked from commit 70fc964)

Co-authored-by: Terry Jan Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
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