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Point of Relation podcast illuminates the path to collective healing at the intersection of science and mysticism. Host Thomas Hübl welcomes visionaries, innovators, artists, and healers for deep conversations about how we can activate our shared intelligence to meet the most pressing challenges of our time.

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Episode 200

June 23, 2026

Best Of: Spirituality and Mysticism

This week, we’re releasing our 200TH EPISODE! To celebrate this milestone, we’re sharing a compilation of some of our favorite segments from previous episodes on spirituality and mysticism.

You’ll hear from Thomas and acclaimed guests with backgrounds in meditation, Buddhism, neuroscience, philosophy, poetry, and Indigenous African spirituality, including: Andrea Gibson, Bayo Akomolafe, Dr. Lisa Miller, and Jack Kornfield.

Tune in for embodied wisdom, deep expertise, and powerful personal insights on the spiritual experience of mortality, the mystical traditions of the Igbo and Yoruba people, how spirituality functions in the brain, and the transformative power of collective experiences and rituals.

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This week, Thomas sits down with journalist Matthew Green to explore the hidden effects of “shadow trauma” and what it takes to heal and repair after acting against your own ethics.

From personal missteps to moral injury to ancestral and historical trauma, we all carry the weight of transgression. But often, the shame that accompanies this holds us back from integration and healing.

Thomas and Matthew discuss how to move beyond isolation and repression to bring our vulnerabilities into safe, healing environments where we can reintegrate these fragmented shadow parts, repair relationships, and restore our connection to our true selves.

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Episode 198

June 9, 2026

Emergence and Interconnectedness

This week, Thomas explores how the phenomenon of emergence occurs when we stop trying to escape into a “better” future and instead drop deeply into the present moment.

He posits that growth occurs when we stop treating the world as an external object and instead recognize our inherent oneness with the global ecosystem… and that this perception shift is fundamental to all forms of healing.

As Thomas says, “You are not in nature, you ARE nature.”

This teaching also touches on the trap of “spiritual superiority,” focusing on how true wisdom arises not by shunning anyone who seems less in tune, but by maturing beyond ego-driven divisions and leading, with empathy, by example.

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This week, Thomas sits down with historical trauma specialist Iya Affo for a deep conversation on how to navigate a dysregulated world and the cyclical nature of trauma healing.

They share wisdom on how to tread the non-linear path of both individual and collective healing, exploring how to peel back the layers in the healing process, how to find healing modalities that work for you, and the nuances of nervous system regulation in a divisive and propaganda-heavy political climate.

Iya also shares how grief and hardship can expand our capacity to love and offers profound hope for transforming our wounds into sources of empathy and service for others.

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