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| Mar 17, 2021 at 5:13 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | @ATL_DEV I did not doubt you had another account. I doubted that you had one account where you moderated a lot and another one where you didn't moderate at all, over 11 years. That seemed (and still seems) very unusual. Were your accounts merged? | |
| Mar 16, 2021 at 15:25 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @ModusTollens A SO admin discovered my comment about the split account and kindly repaired it for me. Perhaps an apology is in order for doubting me? | |
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Duplicate of Should downvoting for any reason be condoned? Note I don't mean if it should be prohibited, because I know and understand it shouldn't | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 16:17 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @ATL_DEV research into the function and use of downvotes. As you've demonstrated, you're not aware of the crucial function they fulfill on SE. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:53 | comment | added | Ian Kemp - SO dead by AI greed | A suggestion for getting out of this edit/reopen/close/delete war: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/405671/… | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:48 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | There's a profound irony in the last bunch of comments. Some of you are baffled by the very system you vociferously advocate for. | |
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| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:44 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @Cerbrus What research is it lacking? First, I'm going by my years of experience using this site. Second, it is common for people to ask why they were downvoted. Finally, there's quite a lot of press about it. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:18 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @Cerbrus Okay I understand that. Maybe the downvotes are already "punishment" enough as they are. Can't imagine anyone wanting to have the experience regularly. Or it gets closed again. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:18 | comment | added | Chindraba | I'm often baffled by votes, up and down, on questions, on site metas and on site mains. Chaff and wheat seem to coexist. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:14 | comment | added | Cerbrus | My problem with leaving questions like that open, is that it sends a signal to those ignorant of how meta works, that questions like that are okay. (Also, those 40 upvotes baffle me) | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:12 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @Cerbrus Fully agreed. It's not researched, it's ranty and it's full of buzzwords like "toxic culture" that act like magnets for downvotes (and still it also got 40 upvotes). But apart from this it's also a very bad idea. And we know it is because of the answers. It's the answers that actually give the whole thing value. I downvoted the question and upvoted the answers. I just don't want it deleted or closed unless it's a perfect duplicate. For all I care, we can leave it in the attic and only point to it whenever somebody else has the same idea. What's wrong with that? | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 15:02 | comment | added | Cerbrus | How about the lack of research? The unfounded claims, the ranty nature of the whole post? It's a good example of a bad question, if you ask me... | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:49 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @Cerbrus Just to be sure, you asked me why I think the question should remain open? I think it is a good example of a bad idea. If the "Thank you" feature post can live so can this. Closing with some similar questions or deletion is not necessary. There are by now more than enough good answers here so that a possible duplicate feature request in the future can be closed with this. If there is a feature request in the past we can also close that. The proposed target wasn't one in my eyes. About the ranty-ness of the contribution here, I think it's borderline. Hope that answers your question. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:40 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Since you didn't answer the part of the question that actually matters. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:40 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @Trilarion: Why did you think it was a good idea to re-open a controversial case like this? The OP isn't interested in a coherent discussion, the question is just a ranty unresearched mess... | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:36 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @Cerbrus "Why ... single-handedly" Because that is the only way I can do it. I'm not the only one there. You can ask Makoto the same question. I get that you are upset about my actions. I think the interest in this question will die soon by itself. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:29 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @Trilarion: Why did you think it was a good idea to single-handedly re-open a controversial case like this? The OP isn't interested in a coherent discussion, the question is just a ranty unresearched mess... | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:20 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | The astonishing thing is that 40 out of 236 voters (or ~17%) actually upvoted this feature request. I would have expected an even stronger ratio of down- to upvotes, no existing answer actually argues in favor of abolishing downvotes. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:09 | answer | added | Chindraba | timeline score: 12 | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:05 | comment | added | l4mpi | "Already, there are veteran users who have decided to no longer participate due to the toxicity of the platform" - a lot of veteran users stopped participating on main due to the erosion of quality that came with the various "welcoming" initiatives, me included. You're proposing to eliminate one of the last things that stops this site from turning into yahoo answers. And re "most downvotes", you have a long way to go... | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 14:03 | comment | added | VLAZ | @justhalf very far | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 13:58 | comment | added | Cerbrus | REALLY @Trilarion?! Can we please let this mess of a question die already?! | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 13:47 | history | edited | NoDataDumpNoContribution | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 1, 2021 at 13:43 | history | reopened | NoDataDumpNoContribution discussion Users with the discussion badge or a synonym can single-handedly close discussion questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed. | ||
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Duplicate of Do we really need reputation and upvotes/downvotes? | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 9:23 | comment | added | justhalf | Uh, this question is still far from being the question with the most downvotes. | |
| Mar 1, 2021 at 3:12 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | If I don't change anyone's mind, I hope to at least have the SO's record for the largest number of downvotes for a single question! | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 22:17 | comment | added | theknightD2 | How else are we supposed to know if a question is bad? | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 21:43 | comment | added | barbecue | To summarize the comments: "My opinion is correct and backed by facts, while yours is nothing but an opinion!" "No, YOUR opinion is just an opinion, while MY opinion is correct and backed by facts!" | |
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| Feb 28, 2021 at 18:11 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @ATL_DEV: "if new users feel not welcomed, you're alienating potential rockstars who drive the majority participation, Already, there are veteran users who have decided to no longer participate due to the toxicity of the platform." And downvotes are not the reason for any of that. Your argument doesn't fit the solution you propose. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 18:08 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @VLAZ If in the future, a sizable number of users use it as a knowledge-base but don't want to participate in growing and updating the knowledge-base, the content will eventually become stale. Moreover, if new users feel not welcomed, you're alienating potential rockstars who drive the majority participation, Already, there are veteran users who have decided to no longer participate due to the toxicity of the platform. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 18:05 | comment | added | VLAZ | "An indexable site doesn't matter to the user asking a question. They just want an answer and may not know or don't care if it is indexable by search engines." The question askers are the extreme minority of users who are interested in the question. There is the answerers and anybody else who searches for the same thing - these groups vastly outnumber the single question asker. This is because we want people with the same query in the future would be able to find them. Askers who treat us like a help desk are not interested in lasting value. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 18:05 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @ATL_DEV: "An indexable site doesn't matter to the user asking a question." Know what does help such a user? Searching and finding the answer without asking someone. The purpose of Stack Overflow is to build that database and serve users who are willing to look for information on their own. If a user wants to burn out experienced users by repeatedly asking the same questions over and over, we don't really need them here. We want to create a useful database of answers indexed by questions. We aren't here to help the asker; we're here to help the next asker by serving them an answer. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 17:58 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @VLAZ You missed my point entirely. An indexable site doesn't matter to the user asking a question. They just want an answer and may not know or don't care if it is indexable by search engines. They can also search for answers within these platforms if needed. Even if the facilities provided are less than ideal, it maybe preferable to dealing with what they feel is a hostile SO community. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 17:43 | comment | added | VLAZ | "Does it really matter that they're unindexable?" for making a repository of Q&As - yes, it matters. If you think Discord is directly the same as SO, then it seems you don't even understand the basic concept of SO. This isn't a 101 help desk. This isn't a discussion room. This is a place to ask concrete questions and get concrete answers. But it's a lot more than that - it's the place to look for these questions and answers. We expect a lot of the traffic for posts to be people landing from search engines on already solved queries. That's not what Discord is about. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 17:30 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @NicolBolas My point is that those platforms, including Quorum are attracting the same audience and growing. Does it really matter that they're unindexable? It didn't stop the mass migration to FaceBook and other sealed off platforms from forums and blogs which are better indexed. Even if SO isn't replace, you can have a fragmented knowledge base. Also, if sponsors feel SO is a toxic atmosphere, they may create their own platform or steer their customers elsewhere. I've encountered users stating "please don't send me to the snakepit." | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 16:59 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @ATL_DEV: "SO, while still best, now has some serious competition like Discord and Reddit" Reddit predates SO, and Discord is a chat system that is basically un-web-indexable. So the latter is never going to be able to replace SO. And if Reddit were going to replace SO, it would have done so already. Also, Reddit has downvoting. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 16:58 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @ATL_DEV: "Do a basic Google search and see just how many negative impressions people have of StackOverflow. It's eye opening!" It's been discussed before. And I don't believe that downvoting is the primary cause of it; it's more commenting and closure. Furthermore, a lot of that criticism comes from users who don't want to follow our rules; they want to treat SO like a help desk, where they get to ask whatever, and we politely regurgitate code at them. Just because there is criticism doesn't make that criticism valid. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 16:55 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @NicolBolas Of course the turmoil comes from people who don't want downvoting. This isn't manufactured controversy. Do a basic Google search and see just how many negative impressions people have of StackOverflow. It's eye opening! You can keep your head in the sand and ignore the problem, but SO, while still best, now has some serious competition like Discord and Reddit. It would be a major blow not only to SO, but to the very idea of a searchable Q&A site, if they court away users and fragment the community. It would do what FaceBook did to thousands of forums and newsgroups. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 16:35 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @ATL_DEV: "My position is simple. Whatever benefit there is to downvoting, is it worth all the turmoil?" The principle "turmoil" comes from the people who don't want downvoting. You can't say "X is bad, don't do it" and when people respond negatively say "look at the turmoil X is creating! We should get rid of it!" Manufactured controversy is manufactured and should be ignored. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 16:22 | comment | added | 0Valt | Let's bring in some tangible data, shall we? Here is an interesting answer Uber Meta with 3 queries on whether downvoted posts improve afterwards. I think it is very relevant to determining if " leaving no beneficial artifacts for the poster nor the community" has a basis for it. As with all data, it is open to interpretation, but it is certainly better than entertaining hypothetical situations and generalizing statements. | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 13:11 | comment | added | Martin James | @ATL_DEV 'It somehow went poof and never to be found again' :(( that's grim. Maybe a mod or CM can find it and merge your old account. I've flagged your comment to ask for help:) | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 7:54 | answer | added | Journeyman Geek | timeline score: 14 | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 6:17 | answer | added | Peter Cordes | timeline score: 21 | |
| Feb 28, 2021 at 1:01 | comment | added | QHarr |
It fails viciously - downvotes are not about people. This is the tough cookie to swallow for some. I imagine it as a right of passage for many.
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| Feb 28, 2021 at 0:16 | comment | added | SomethingDark | @ATL_DEV - Score corresponds to the usefulness of a question. The higher the score, the more likely it is that people will find the question helpful. The lower the score, the less likely it is that the question is helpful. Downvoting signals to other users that they may not find the question useful in solving the problem they came here looking to solve. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 23:08 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @ModusTollens Well, I used to sign in using my google mail address and some se login system. Anyway, when they switched over to accepting Google logins, I started using it and my main account disappeared. It occasionally shows up again. I've never bothered figuring it out. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 22:48 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | @ATL_DEV So you're saying you moderated a lot on the old account and almost never on the new one, which existed for 11 years? Thats... pretty unusual and hard to believe. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 22:38 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @ModusTollens I had another account that had more activity than this one. It somehow went poof and never to be found again. I know it doesn't make sense but can't tell what happened. Anyway, it had a ton of points and far more impressive than this jalopy account. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 22:38 | comment | added | 0Valt | @adabsurdum - well, I do not disagree with you that this shortcoming is relevant to a productive discussion on how the current system could be revised, but I do think it does not take any value off voting usefulness in rating content (more so being a trade-off). A net score of +10 gives other posts a chance to catch up, an absolute +60 does not. Frankly, I think it would be nice to revisit it and find a way to allow everyone to see vote counts. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 22:24 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | @ATL_DEV You might be an experienced long-term user of Stack Overflow, but you seem to have little experience in moderating the site. In over 11 years, you did not flag a single post, edited 4 posts, and voted on about 150 posts. That's almost nothing. I'm not saying that participating in moderating is required at all, but doing so could alter your perspective and give you more experience with what it means to keep up quality on Stack Overflow. Voting and voting to close are the most important tools we have. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 22:00 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @NicolBolas Please check my profile and see how long I've been using SO. I've been using the site shortly after it first launched. Back then the site was a lot simpler and was primarily based around c# and .net. All that said, I am speaking from the point of view of an experienced long-term user, not a newbie user. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:39 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @adabsurdum: "the community really jumped on this question from the start" Maybe the OP could avoid saying things like "abolish downvoting", "downvoting offers no value to the participants, the community, or content quality", and the like, which doesn't leave any room for productive discussion. At no point does the OP recognize the utility of downvoting, claiming to be only negative. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:35 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | My position is simple. Whatever benefit there is to downvoting, is it worth all the turmoil? Also, getting rid of downvoting doesn't mean having nothing in its place. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:28 | comment | added | 0Valt | @adabsurdum - I am also not of the opinion that everything "just works" with voting. But I wanted to point out that the inability to see vote count is orthogonal to determining the upsides and downsides of the voting system to rate content (whether or not this should be changed would be an interesting discussion, though). | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:24 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @adabsurdum: A discussion about a better way is valid, but that's not happening here, under this question. This question is not about finding a "better way"; it's about overturning the existing way in favor of something that doesn't allow any reasonable metric of quality, where everything is good, and nothing is bad. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:18 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @adabsurdum: "Couldn't we tell low quality content by relatively lower vote counts and high quality content by relatively higher vote counts?" No, that turns voting into a popularity contest (more than it already is). Pity upvotes already exist, and they're bad enough that people often have to counter-downvote bad content. Having those votes means that you have to upvote mediocre questions just to get them to the score status of mediocre. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:16 | comment | added | 0Valt | @adabsurdum - while I agree with your point that inability to see vote counts reduces vote usefulness, it does not point to an inherent problem with voting. What it does point to is an SE decision to save up on DB requests at the expense of the usefulness of voting. In my opinion, this controversial (see discussion) trade-off should not be used to pick holes in the voting system. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:14 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @adabsurdum: "How is this a helpful quality metric for users who can only see cumulative totals, but not vote counts?" Easy. You see two questions: one at score 0, the other at score +10. The +10 is more likely to be better than the 0 score. That's how it helps. Maybe we sometimes get it wrong, but given the voting spread, the idea that the net +10 is better is more likely to me than that +50/-50 is better. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:12 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @ATL_DEV: "If anything, the one with the larger number of total votes has a larger sample, which is always better than a smaller sample." That's not how statistics works. The larger the sample size, the more correct the answer is likely to be. So you're saying that we're more certain that the popular question is mediocre than we are that the less popular question is good. But that's a measure of certainty that we're right, not of the quality of the question. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:07 | comment | added | VLAZ | @ATL_DEV that's not how Pavlovian conditioning works. There is no attempt to link a response with a stimulus. The stimulus here presumably being the downvote. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 21:00 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @mike, Sorry if this sounds blunt, but I think you inadvertently revealed the real purpose of downvoting--it's Pavlovian conditioning! | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 20:50 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @SomethingDark I never said users use the votes to make any qualitative decisions on questions. I only stated that some users it as a judgment on their own question. In fact, I've been arguing votes are meaningless. Ironically, stating: "they don't open up multiple questions and compare quality..." hints that you agree it's meaningless for making qualitative decisions. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 20:47 | comment | added | Michael Heil | Downvotes helped me to help others. Without me being downvoted as a new joiner (about a year ago) on several occasions I would still contribute low quality content to this site. Today, I don't like to be downvoted but I like that direct feedback and it keeps me sharp in my answers. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 20:38 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @SomethingDark. You say "better" with no reasoning behind it. How is it better? If anything, the one with the larger number of total votes has a larger sample, which is always better than a smaller sample. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 20:30 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @Paul Thanks. I'm holding down the fort waiting for backup. LOL! I agree about trying it out, but I wouldn't hold my breath given the response here. We already have loads of empirical evidence showing how anonymity leads to bad community behavior. YouTube's comment section, for instance, was once a disgusting cesspool of the most despicable comments imaginable. After requiring an account in order to post comments, its gone to the other extreme. Downvoting has the same issues as anonymous comments. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 20:03 | comment | added | Paul | I'm with you. Downvoting should go, particularly for your point "Downvoting makes no distinction between a troll ruffling feathers and a new user, for instance, having difficultly articulating their question. Both are treated the same, sending an unwelcoming message. Are we surprised new users feel unwelcomed?". That's my opinion. However, as you've seen, people here love their downvotes. That's their opinion. I think it's worth experimenting with on a new site to actually see what would happen, then people would have empirical evidence to base their decisions upon. | |
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| Feb 27, 2021 at 19:43 | comment | added | SomethingDark | @adabsurdum Then Nicol Bolas' suggestion of the one that's currently at a score of 10 being the better question is still true. The entire problem is that ATL_DEV is making non sequitur arguments that don't reflect the reality of how users use the site; they don't open up multiple questions and compare their quality, they open one, see if it solves their problem, and move on to another one if it doesn't. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 18:47 | comment | added | SomethingDark | Why compare the two questions at all? With how many duplicates there are on this site, they may both answer your question. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 18:47 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @ATL_DEV: If a question received 50 downvotes, then odds are good something is wrong with it, even if it received 50 upvotes. So the less popular question is probably better. In short, the system works. Unless you want voting to be a popularity contest rather than a contest of quality. | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 16:39 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | When I mentioned that downvoting is pointless, consider a popular question receiving +50 votes and -50 votes, resulting in 0 votes. Now consider another less popular question receiving only +10 votes, resulting in 10 votes. What possible criteria can you use when comparing the two questions based on the resulting votes, especially when the total is hidden? | |
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| Feb 27, 2021 at 9:27 | comment | added | J... | I'm glad I can downvote this idea. | |
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| Feb 27, 2021 at 2:21 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | @Chindraba According to one of the responses here: That is to say, quite clearly: Stack Exchange doesn't arm you with any foreknowledge into what a downvote is or why you're getting it, or why others don't have to comment on it. (To be fair, we've had a sidebar about why we would reject such a feature; you can peruse that if you're curious.) | |
| Feb 27, 2021 at 2:14 | comment | added | Chindraba | With sufficient "answers" to your non feature-request discussion to expose the flaws in your thinking, as requested in the question, to expose the many places your "arguments" have failed, I'd have expected that the "issue" was resolved against the idea presented. All evidence has failed to be accepted by you. Nothing I can add will correct your cognitive distortions. I'm disengaging. | |
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| Feb 27, 2021 at 1:44 | comment | added | Chindraba | That's just the point. I have read it, and digested it, and rejected it, in total. The purpose of voting is made explicit and clear in both the Help Center and the tooltips. If the "meaning" of a downvote is not understood by a user, the user has failed to understand the basics of the site's mechanics. | |
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| Feb 26, 2021 at 23:29 | comment | added | zcoop98 | That edit needs to be applauded. The improvement is dramatic, even if I still disagree. | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 23:28 | comment | added | Cerbrus | It can be discussed if the question is edited into something that isn't just a rant full of "horribly misguided assumptions about the site" (your words). | |
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| Feb 26, 2021 at 23:26 | comment | added | Makoto | @Cerbrus: Not agreeing with the duplicate closure. This question comes with its own unique perspective on just outright eliminating how we curate content, likely borne out of either frustration of how we do it, a misunderstanding of why we do it, or both. That should be something that is discussed on its own merits. | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 23:22 | comment | added | Cerbrus | Does this answer your question? Do we really need reputation and upvotes/downvotes? | |
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| Feb 26, 2021 at 21:53 | comment | added | cigien | Well, I don't know what question you're referring to, but I would imagine that it's hard to encourage discussions if you don't either ask a question or make suggestions. That sounds like you're simply stating your point of view, which doesn't really encourage discussions at all. Regardless of the previous question you asked, I strongly suggest working on improving this one, because as it stands, the question doesn't give the impression of seeking feedback, and that's an important part of starting a discussion. | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 21:51 | comment | added | Cerbrus | This question is being discussed on Meta | |
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| Feb 26, 2021 at 21:41 | comment | added | cigien | I voted to close this question for the reason I stated above. You have the opportunity to edit this question into a form that seeks community feedback, in which case I think it can be reopened. If you choose not to do that, this post will eventually get deleted, making it very unlikely that it will get undeleted even if you do edit it into shape. | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 21:36 | comment | added | ead | There are people out there thankful for downvotes, because it means other people took time to read and provided feedback. If one doesn’t assume that the downvoter is insane/lazy/stupid but tries to look critically at the own question/answer - usually one will find things worth improving. | |
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| Feb 26, 2021 at 21:19 | comment | added | Martin James | Great! Just one little thing - how are we going to handle the bad question? | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 21:07 | comment | added | cigien | Presenting your opinions as facts is already problematic, since you have not given reasons for a lot of the opinions. The primary issue I have with this post is that there is no indication that you are willing to get any feedback from the community, much less that you're willing to admit there may be valid uses of downvoting that you're unaware of. This post feels more like a rant than a question, and I'm voting to close as "not seeking community input". | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 21:04 | history | closed |
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Duplicate of Downvote system change proposal [closed] | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 20:58 | answer | added | Robert Harvey | timeline score: 156 | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 20:58 | comment | added | Braiam | Voting exist to rank content as useful/valuable vs not useful/valuable. That's the model of this site. "Good answers are voted up and rise to the top." says the tour. | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 20:58 | answer | added | code11 | timeline score: 59 | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 20:55 | comment | added | ATL_DEV | If a feature is there, then what's it's value? What are you upvoting and what are you downvoting and what's the criteria? If it's not clear, then it has no value since it is entirely open ended. | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 20:53 | comment | added | Braiam | A exceptional claim requires exceptional evidence. You state that downvoting has no value, but you can't/won't back up those claims. If you want your argument to succeed at convincing anyone, you must present evidence that will give validity to your argument. | |
| Feb 26, 2021 at 20:51 | comment | added | Nick is tired | I'd sooner abolish upvoting, I'd rather know the difference between a bad post and not bad post than a good post and not good post. And yet I wouldn't abolish that either, both have their place. | |
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| Feb 26, 2021 at 20:50 | comment | added | Warcupine | "Downvoting offers no value to the participants, the community, or content quality." -Citation Needed | |
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