The book club I run just finished our second book, If Beale Street Could Talk by James Baldwin, and I’m here with a couple thoughts about it!
I’m not going to even pretend to write about book club discussion topics anymore, because it’s restrictive in a way that serves nobody. But I AM going to keep writing Substacks about book club books until it becomes impractical or unpleasant (not yet!). There’s a depth or type of thinking I can only do in writing.
So without further ado: the thoughts! Overall I really enjoyed If Beale Street Could Talk. It felt refreshing to read after Frankenstein, which was 99% summary and speeches. Beale was the inverse — 99% scene and conversations! Almost exclusively scene!
Which leads me to my first take:
1. Sometimes there was too much scene!
There’s one part in particular, right after Tish non-verbally tells her mom she’s pregnant, when there’s dialogue AND narration about how they’re going from the kitchen to a bedroom for some privacy and maybe Tish can lie down. Tish lies down and then gets up and takes off her coat and lies BACK down. I was kind of like, wait, let us not forget our useful friend summary, and our other useful friend, “I took a nap.”
Still, I’d much rather a bit too much scene than too much summary, in the end. Scene gets me emotionally invested in a story, and James Baldwin is a master of a long, realistic scene with exciting stage directions. (Spit! Slap!)
I’m almost like, sir, do you want to write a PLAY? But then he’s dead.
2. Was Tish… God?
Listen: She’s an omniscient narrator, describing many scenes she wasn’t present for: Sharon’s trip to Puerto Rico, some of Fonny’s time in prison, her and Fonny’s dads chatting at the bar, etc.
And she’s creating life… by being pregnant…
I don’t think this is the main thrust of the novel, but there’s a little troll here, where Baldwin has created a first-person omniscient narrator (unusual!) who dislikes church and feels specifically UNLOVED there. You know?
3. Fonny was too obviously innocent.
Fonny isn’t presented as a perfect angel (he threw Tish’s tomatoes at a wall!), but he IS presented as 100% definitely innocent of the rape he’s in prison for. He was somewhere far away when the crime happened, with two witnesses, AND he’s a good guy. At book club, I really wanted to find the one weirdo who thought Fonny did it, and I couldn’t!
I felt like James Baldwin didn’t trust the reader to trust Fonny. Part of that is the heaviness of a rape charge in a novel, because it’s like… why did the author CHOOSE to give that to you? In fiction, things don’t happen randomly.
But Fonny’s alibi is so airtight to Tish and the reader, though not to the state, that it made the story feel a little didactic to me. Systemic racism can still work hard and create obvious injustice in a slightly ambiguous situation. (I mean that police lineup where Fonny was the only black guy!)
As is, we don’t see Tish doubt Fonny’s innocence for one second. She never even speaks to a reasonable person who doubts his innocence. She deals with the cognitive dissonance of his innocence and imprisonment, which is interesting, but to me it’s even more so outside a sealed aquarium of certainty.
4. Artifice deserved more credit.
The villains of If Beale Street Could Talk, at least as much as Officer Bell, are the women of Fonny’s family, who Tish refers to as “hags.” Their main crime is enjoying the performance of “goodness” at church, even though it’s out of alignment with their private lives, where they do some secret sex stuff and rarely visit Fonny in prison. Oh, and feud with Tish’s unborn baby.
Those fake hags don’t sound fun to me either, trust. But you know what I’ve also found through living, unmentioned in this book: Artifice helps get things done.
For instance, what if Sharon had employed a bit more artifice when she went to Puerto Rico to try to persuade Fonny’s accuser to drop the charges? She played that pretty direct and confrontational, and it didn’t work. People don’t like to be politely asked to drop their rape charges in the middle of a home invasion, it turns out.
Unfortunately, I do think Fonny’s reviled mom could have handled that situation more effectively —and I thought it was a weakness of the novel that it was so outside the realm of possibility for her to go!
As written, the fans of artifice and the fans of fighting injustice were two mutually exclusive, warring factions throughout. Every woman who cares about artifice and amassing social capital also sees their perceived virtue as something to passively hoard.
I don’t know, man! There’s an alternate version of this book where at least SOME women in Fonny’s family cash in their church cred and organize the church community to fundraise and get him out on bail. And maybe they still don’t visit him at The Tombs, and that sucks! But I really think it takes all kinds to make dinner. That’s not a real idiom but it should be.
5. Tish didn’t overdo it!
She might be the purest “observer” narrator I’ve encountered who isn’t literally, physically restrained. We do see her make one big decision: to stand in front of Fonny at the tomato store to protect him from Officer Bell. It’s arguably the inciting incident of the novel.
But after that…?
She wants Fonny out of prison more than anyone, but she kind of doesn’t take the lead on that. Or on a side quest. Her boldest moves are thoughts and speech acts:
Thinking about doing sex work
Inviting Mrs. Hunt to come kill her [Tish’s] unborn baby (invite declined)
Thinking about [checks notes] opening up and destroying Officer Bell’s face so they can both be free
This is not to say she does NOTHING or that she has to do more for me to like her. I love her. She’s an incredible observer. She has a solid work ethic and gets herself to the perfume store even when she feels like crap.
For a character in a novel, she just expresses herself unusually heavily through thoughts and reflection. Her actions are mostly repetitive care work — going to work, visiting Fonny, and… implicitly getting reports from more active characters? Maybe she will become a journalist one day.
6. “The system” runs on desire with nowhere good to go.
I thought a lot about why James Baldwin talks about sex and sexual urges in such granular detail in this book. Tish loses her virginity to Fonny for seven whole pages! We get a full page of a Fonny solo expedition in prison! Why?
Here’s my working hypothesis: I think there’s a submerged story here about how institutions — the church and the police force, specifically — are built on displaced sex drives.
In the world of the novel, sex is ideally an expression of love, like it is for Tish and Fonny; then it becomes sacred, in a way church wishes it was. But most of the characters can’t or won’t access that, and instead express their sex drives in unloving power play — usually by participating in the normalized BDSM baked into hierarchical institutions.
For example! Officer Bell (symbol of the police) is turned on by dominating civilians for work. Meanwhile Fonny’s mom (symbol of the church) seems to be getting an interesting sexual something out of submitting to her husband in the present, because she will ultimately dominate him in the afterlife.
Basically, I thought the novel made a case that people running around with sexual urges they don’t understand or want to understand are the ones most likely to participate in morally dubious institutions / “the system.”
I found it pretty persuasive! I’m not sure sex is THE thing that makes the world go around, but it’s huge. Top two. There’s just also money.
Linxxx
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