{"id":63096,"date":"1987-03-02T09:00:09","date_gmt":"1987-03-02T14:00:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/?p=63096"},"modified":"2025-05-06T09:05:58","modified_gmt":"2025-05-06T13:05:58","slug":"mac-se","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1987\/mac-se\/","title":{"rendered":"Mac SE"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Introduced along with the <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1987\/mac-ii\/\">Mac II<\/a> in March 1987, the SE came with 1\u00a0MB of RAM, one or two double-sided 800K floppies, and space to mount an internal SCSI hard drive (the second drive bay held either a hard drive or second floppy \u2013 no room for both, although that didn\u2019t stop some people from creating a bracket to mount a hard drive in a two-floppy SE). The SE was the first compact Mac with a built-in fan.<span id=\"more-525\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft\" src=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/compact\/art\/mac-se-208.jpg\" alt=\"Macintosh SE dual floppy\" width=\"166\" height=\"166\" \/><\/p>\n<p>The SE is sometimes referred to as the SE\/20, SE 1\/40, 4\/80, etc. \u201cSE\/20\u201d is not an official designation, often leads to confusion, and should not be used. These are not different models, nor should an \u201cSE\/20\u201d be confused with the more powerful <a title=\"Mac SE\/30\" href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1989\/mac-se30\/\">SE\/30<\/a>. These numbers refer to the amount of memory and size of the internal hard drive, so an \u201cSE\/20\u201d would have a 20 MB hard drive and an SE 4\/40 would have 4\u00a0MB of RAM and a 40 MB hard drive.<\/p>\n<p>Although Apple officially rates SCSI on the SE at 1.25 MBps, real world testing finds it to be considerably lower at about half the rated speed. This is also roughly 2.5x faster than the SCSI on the <a title=\"Mac Plus\" href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1986\/mac-plus\/\">Mac Plus<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>In August 1989 Apple began to ship the SE with their high density floppy drive, known as the FDHD (floppy drive, high density) or SuperDrive (for its ability to read and write IBM-format floppies with additional software). Not only did this provide 1.4 MB capacity, but also the ability to read and write 3.5\u2033 DOS disks using special software.<\/p>\n<p>Older SEs with their original ROMs do not support high density floppies. However, they can be used with FDHD drives as long as the disks used are 800K floppies.<\/p>\n<p>The SE was introduced as the low-end cousin of the hot new 16 MHz Mac II. The SE was the first compact Mac with an expansion slot. One of the first add-in cards was an MS-DOS card. Over time, video, ethernet, and accelerator cards became popular accessories.<\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not generally known, but the SE supports color, although not on the internal display. It\u2019s only 3-bit color, but it supports output to the ImageWriter II printer\u2019s color ribbon, and as least one company made a SCSI video output device that let the SE display 3-bit color on an external color monitor.<\/p>\n<p>Color display? Aura Systems made <a title=\"ScuzzyGraph and ScuzzyGraph II\" href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/2013\/scuzzygraph-and-scuzzygraph-ii\/\">ScuzzyGraph II<\/a>, a SCSI peripheral that provided 8-color video for people who didn\u2019t want to buy (or couldn\u2019t afford) a Mac II. 1989 cost was $995 to $2,495, depending on resolution.<\/p>\n<p>You can convert a non-working compact Mac into a <a title=\"TenFourFox Is the Hands Down Winner for OS X 10.4 Tiger\" href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/2013\/tenfourfox-hands-down-winner-os-x-10-4-tiger\/\">Macquarium<\/a>. (Please, don\u2019t even think of converting a working one \u2013 you can always find someone interested on the <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/lists\/classicmacs.shtml\">Classic Macs<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1998\/low-end-macs-vintage-macs-group\/\">Vintage Macs<\/a> lists.)<\/p>\n<h3>Tips<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>If you have less than 4 MB installed, upgrade to 4 MB. You can often find pulled 1 MB SIMMs (removed from other Macs during upgrade) inexpensively.<\/li>\n<li>The SE cannot use two-chip 1 MB SIMMs.<\/li>\n<li>Memory permitting, set the disk cache to 128k.<\/li>\n<li>To use HD floppies on a pre-SuperDrive SE, look into the Applied Engineering AE HD+ external floppy drive. They may be available from <a href=\"http:\/\/www.quecomputers.com\/\">Que Computers<\/a> for $99 (612-623-0903). Note that the \u201cplus\u201d is important \u2013 the AE HD will not do the job.<\/li>\n<li>Because of limited SCSI throughput, older hard drives with no data buffer should usually be formatted with a 2:1 interleave for use in the SE. (Unfortunately, other Macs may find it difficult or impossible to work with this interleave.) This is not an issue with newer drives that have a data buffer.<\/li>\n<li>If you need to create the smallest possible System file, you can delete Chicago 12, Geneva 9 and 12, and Monaco 9, since these fonts are in the SE ROMs.<\/li>\n<li>To remove the hard drive: find the two screws holding the drive bracket in place. They will be facing the rear of the computer and underneath the drive itself. You\u2019ll need a fairly long Phillips screwdriver to reach them \u2013 and you\u2019ll need to disconnect the power and data cables before you can get to them. Once the screws are loose, lift the back and it should come out easily.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>Details<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>SE introduced 1987.03.02 at $2,900 (dual floppy) or $3,700 (with 20 MB hard drive); discontinued 1989.08.01<\/li>\n<li>SE FDHD (1.4 MB floppy) introduced 1989.08.01; discontinued 1990.10.15<\/li>\n<li>code names: Plus Plus, Maui, Aladdin, Chablis, Freeport<\/li>\n<li>configurations included dual-floppy or one floppy plus 20 or, 40 MB hard drive<\/li>\n<li>Gestalt ID: 5<\/li>\n<li>Order no.: M5010 (SE), M5011 (SE FDHD)<\/li>\n<li>upgrade path: <a title=\"Mac SE\/30\" href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1989\/mac-se30\/\">SE\/30<\/a> motherboard<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Mac OS<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>requires System 4.1 (System 4.0 and Finder 5.4) to 7.5.5, although we have a report of one user running System 1.1 on the SE)<\/li>\n<li>addressing: 24-bit only<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Core System<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>CPU: 8 MHz 68000<\/li>\n<li>ROM: 256 KB<\/li>\n<li>RAM: 1 MB, expandable 4 MB using pairs of 256 KB or 1 MB 150ns 30-pin SIMMs (will not work with two-chip 1 MB SIMMs)<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Performance<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>1.0, relative to SE<\/li>\n<li>0.37, MacBench 2.0<\/li>\n<li>0.98, Speedometer 3<\/li>\n<li>0.7 MIPS<\/li>\n<li>see <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1998\/mac-se-benchmarks\/\">Benchmarks: SE<\/a> for more details<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Graphics<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>9\u2033 b&amp;w screen, 512 x 342 pixels<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Expansion<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>ADB ports: 2<\/li>\n<li>serial ports: 2 DIN-8 RS-422 ports on back of computer<\/li>\n<li>SCSI ports: 1 DB-25 connector on back of computer, maximum throughput of 5,248 kbps<\/li>\n<li>floppy drive: 800 KB, 1.4 MB double-sided on FDHD version<\/li>\n<li>floppy connector on back of computer<\/li>\n<li>Hard drive: none or 20 MB<\/li>\n<li>expansion slots: 1 SE PDS<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h4>Physical<\/h4>\n<ul>\n<li>size (HxWxD): 13.6\u2033 x 9.6\u2033 x 10.9\u2033<\/li>\n<li>Weight: 17 lb.<\/li>\n<li>PRAM battery: 3.6V half-AA<\/li>\n<li>power supply: 100W<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>Accelerators &amp; Upgrades<\/h3>\n<p>Some accelerators have onboard SIMM slots, allowing them to use more than 4 MB of RAM.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Brainstorm accelerator (16 MHz 68000), long discontinued. See <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20021221131010\/http:\/\/www.macworld.com:80\/1995\/03\/reviews\/319.html\">review<\/a> in <em>Macworld,<\/em> 1995.03.<\/li>\n<li>Macintosh SE\/30 motherboard (16 MHz 68030), but it probably costs less to buy a whole SE\/30 than just a motherboard.<\/li>\n<li>MicroMac <a href=\"http:\/\/www.micromac.com\/products\/multispeed.html\">Multispeed<\/a> (16, 25, or 32 MHz 68030), optional 32 MHz 68882 FPU<\/li>\n<li>MicroMac <a href=\"http:\/\/www.micromac.com\/products\/performer.html\">Performer<\/a> (16 MHz 68030), optional 25 MHz 68882 FPU<\/li>\n<li>MicroMac <a href=\"http:\/\/www.micromac.com\/products\/performerpro.html\">Performer Pro<\/a> (32 MHz 68030), 64 KB cache, optional 68882 FPU<\/li>\n<li>Radius Accelerator SE (16 MHz 68020 with 68881), 25 MHz version also produced<\/li>\n<li>Sonnet Technologies Allegro SE (33 MHz 68030), 33 MHz 68882 FPU, discontinued<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Discontinued accelerators (68030 unless otherwise noted) include the Applied Engineering TransWarp (16, 40 MHz), Dove Marathon Racer (16 MHz), Extreme Systems Vandal (50 MHz), Harris Performer2 (16 MHz 68000), MacProducts Railgun (33 MHz), Mobius (25 MHz), NewLife Accelerator! (16, 25, 33 MHz), Novy ImagePro (16, 25, 33 MHz), and Total Systems Mercury (16 MHz), Gemini Integra (50 MHz), and Gemini Ultra (33, 50 MHz).<\/p>\n<p>Color? Aura Systems made ScuzzyGraph II, a SCSI peripheral that provided 8-color video for people who didn\u2019t want to buy (or couldn\u2019t afford) a Mac II. 1989 cost was $995-2,495, depending on resolution.<\/p>\n<div class=\"entry-content\">\n<h3>Cautions<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>Never connect an Apple II 5.25\u2033 floppy drive to the Mac\u2019s floppy port. Doing so can ruin the floppy controller, meaning you can\u2019t even use the internal drive any longer.<\/li>\n<li>That monitor packs a lot of voltage. Read <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/2007\/the-truth-about-crts-and-shock-danger\/\">Compact Mac CRT Energy<\/a> before working inside.<\/li>\n<li>Macs with black-and-white only displays (1-bit, no grays) may find Netscape Navigator 3 makes it impossible to view some pages and sites. The workaround is to use Navigator 2.<\/li>\n<li>Some early SEs had noisy fans; <em>MacUser<\/em> (1992.11) recommends replacing them.<\/li>\n<li>Reliably supports <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1998\/macintosh-serial-throughput\/\">serial speeds<\/a> to 19.2 kbps, although default is 9600 bps. May have better throughput at 28.8 kbps despite some dropped and retransmitted packets. Throughput with a 56k modem may be limited. See <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/2015\/the-hype-about-56k-modems\/#serial\">56k modem page<\/a>. For more information on Mac serial ports, read <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1998\/macintosh-serial-throughput\/\">Macintosh Serial Throughput<\/a>.<\/li>\n<li>Apple discontinued support and parts orders for the Plus on 1998.08.31. You may be able to find dealers with parts inventory either locally or on our <a href=\"http:\/\/lowendmac.com\/dealers\/service.shtml\">parts and service list<\/a>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Keywords: #macse #macintoshse<\/p>\n<p>Short link:\u00a0http:\/\/goo.gl\/cR4aMw<\/p>\n<p><em>searchwords: macse, macintoshse<\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<h3>Online Resources<\/h3>\n<ul>\n<li>See: <a href=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/1234\/online-resources-mac-se\/\">Online resources and links for the Mac SE<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-57446 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/roundedgraphic.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"720\" height=\"50\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/roundedgraphic.png 720w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/roundedgraphic-320x22.png 320w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/roundedgraphic-640x44.png 640w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/roundedgraphic-160x11.png 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/compact-macs\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-57643 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/CompactIndex-320x62.png\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/CompactIndex-320x62.png 320w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/CompactIndex-640x124.png 640w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/CompactIndex-160x31.png 160w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/CompactIndex.png 720w\" alt=\"\" width=\"320\" height=\"62\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/680x0-mac-index\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-57903 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/68KMacIndex-320x62.png\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/68KMacIndex-320x62.png 320w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/68KMacIndex-640x124.png 640w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/68KMacIndex-160x31.png 160w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/68KMacIndex.png 720w\" alt=\"\" width=\"320\" height=\"62\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/low-end-macs-tech-specs-index\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-56312 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/return-320x62.png\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 320px) 100vw, 320px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/return-320x62.png 320w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/return-640x124.png 640w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/return-160x31.png 160w, https:\/\/lowendmac.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/return.png 720w\" alt=\"\" width=\"320\" height=\"62\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Introduced along with the Mac II in March 1987, the SE came with 1\u00a0MB of RAM, one or two double-sided 800K floppies, and space to mount an internal SCSI hard drive (the second drive bay held either a hard drive or second floppy \u2013 no room for both, although that didn\u2019t stop some people from [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":714651,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[5823,22,5],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-63096","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-compact-macintosh","category-articles","category-tech-specs"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v26.9 - 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