Tokeneconomics survey 2022: Milestone 3#925
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@taqtiqa-mark thanks for submitting.
I have a couple of questions regarding the delivery:
- Is there a specific reason that most of the figures don't contain information about their contents (see flowcharts in chapter 2)?
- The terms "token" and "coin" are not clear defined. Sometimes they seem to be used interchangably, while in other cases they're appear to represent different concepts. Example:
The same classification can also be applied when using tokens instead of native coins.
- Since this paper is concerned with "Token Economics" it'd be good if there was a definition for the term "Token Economy". I find some sections hard to understand without a clear definition, for example, do you here refer to a single parachain or the Polkadot ecosystem as a whole or something else:
A token economy can be classified as open if it allows unrestricted staking and rewarding using the native coin (NC) of other token economies, as well as accepting the native coins of other token economies as a means of payment for transaction fees.
- The whole chapter "2.1 Economy Type" is hard to understand. For example, given the quote in the previous point, which blockchain (or different component) is meant for the "payment for transaction fees"? Is it the main chain of such a token economy, such as the Polkadot ecosystem? Or do you refer to a single parachain?
- what notation did you use for step 2 in the flowchart in Figure 1:
(rational expectations NEAR/2 equilibrium) OR (no PRE/2 arbitrage OR arbitrage PRE/2 free) AND ((block NEAR/2 chain) AND ((token NEAR/2 economics) OR (tokenomics))) - Can you clearify which polkadot parachain tokens have been reviewed?
None of the reviewed Polkadot parachain tokens/coins were designed using a rational expectations framework (with the possible exception of the Equilibrium parachain), and none derive an expression for their token price dynamics.
- What's the reason you're using the term "parallel-chain" rather than "parachain" in some occasions?
- I suggest you format numbered lists in a way that makes it easier to read. For example, this excerpt is rather hard to read (p11):

- What does stylized mean in the context of token price dynamics or partial equilibrium?
No Polkadot parachain identifies an expression for stylized token price dynamics.
The authors consider a stylized partial equilibrium model of using redeemable tokens in place of using fiat currency. - In 2.2 Model Type, what kind of variables are you referring to? Maybe an example would help me understand it.
- What's the reason you included only Equilibrium into Table 1? While I acknowledge the following quote, I'm not clear on why you wouldn't be able to evaluate other attributes, namely Economy, Model, Sector, Production, Monetary:
None of the reviewed Polkadot parachain token/coins were designed with an explicit equilibrium objective, nor using an rational expectations framework (with the possible exception of the Equilibrium parachain
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@takahser thanks for the close reading, and the points raised. I'll address them shortly. |
Thanks again for the careful review. I'll respond inline below. Nonetheless, a general point recurs, so I'll address that and refer here as required.
I've clarified:
I've added this:
I've removed the above.
See the excerpt provided above.
I've clarified:
I've added:
Consider this pseudo code. I make no claims about it.
I've added:
I've adopted parachain throughout.
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None of the white papers address those issues. In fact, there is no reason to believe they are aware of them, compared to footnote b in Table 1 - where there was something substantive to work with/from. What you suggest would be a table with |
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If there are to be further iterations, can I ask that issues be opened in the project repository and linked to here? |
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@taqtiqa-mark thanks for the rapid progress on this. I went through your comment and I think it's mostly clarified. I'm still having a closer look and I'm going to create issues, as demanded if I should have any follow-up questions/unclarities. |
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@taqtiqa-mark are you sure you've pushed the changes? I didn't find any of the new text sections you've provided screenshots for in your most recent comment. Regarding this: For simplicity, I think it'd be easier to stick to 1 of the terms. However, it's not a deal breaker and I'm fine with the explanation you provide here. Apart from that, I've created this issue. At this time I have nothing else to add, but I'll go over the new version of the paper one more time as soon as it's pushed to your repo. |
I believe so: https://github.com/taqtiqa-mark/tokenomics-survey-2022/blob/main/milestones/milestone_3.pdf
Thanks, I'll request a review once I've updated and pushed the new version. |
Signed-off-by: Mark Van de Vyver <mark@taqtiqa.com>
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I believe I've addressed all comments and requested changes. |
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@taqtiqa-mark I've just pushed my evaluation, feel free to have a look.
- The only open points are:
- publish the paper
- amend the contract to remove Docker from the requirements (or implement it)
Apart from that, everything has been accepted.
Let me know if you have any questions.
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I've proposed the Dockerfile references be removed: I'll update here when I upload the paper. |
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@takahser, appreciate your thoughts on the idea of delaying publishing the paper until the second Sockin & Xiong paper transitions from "forthcoming". This would mean the milestone-3 blocks until then - hopefully that wouldn't mean you get spammed with reminders or some such follow-up. Several reasons for this:
I can still draw down the milestone 1 and 2 payments when my accountant sets things up - he is dealing with some issues so this may take a while. Hope that sounds acceptable? |
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@taqtiqa-mark does this imply that you can't publish the paper because the referenced Sockin & Xiong paper paper's status is still forthcoming? Personally,I wouldn't mind its publication even with a citation of an impending paper. This could be broadly acceptable, considering that it's a fast-moving field where compromises are sometimes made to accelerate time to market (or journal, in this case). But I'll leave it to you to decide, given your evident expertise in academia. |
Maybe publish as "Draft: Comments welcome"? |
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@taqtiqa-mark feel free to ping me once this is fixed. I'll take a look at it next Wednesday as I'm going to be ooo until then. |
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@taqtiqa-mark any update? |
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Sure, I'm still coming up with a way to address the objections of @jonasW3F and also stay within the guidelines. I have a draft but still not fully happy with it. Also, full disclosure, I've reached out to the paper authors and some are away until from their desks until September. I'll leave up to you if you want to wait on their responses. |
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@taqtiqa-mark thanks for the reply. Once you're happy with it, feel free to ping me again so I can have another look. I just wanted to check whether it's being dealt with. 👍 |
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@takahser, appreciate your patience. I've resolved the outstanding issues, given the constraints of the agreed scope, budget, and W3F guidelines. |
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@taqtiqa-mark thanks for the update. I checked the links but I didn't find the paper. Does it mean you submitted them but they're not online yet (also no pre-print, for example)? |
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@taqtiqa-mark sorry, I guess my last comment left room for interpretation. The doc itself looks good to me. 👍
By links, I was referring to the journal links, namely: SSRN (e.g. FEN - Cryptocurrency Research eJournal), IDEAS, Arxiv (q-fin.GN). My understanding was that you'd submit the paper to these journals as a DRAFT, so I'd like to ask if 1) you've done that and 2) if there's a way for me to verify that.
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Yes that is the penultimate step. I just need you to confirm you are happy with how I've closed out the issues raised by jonasw3, and that there are no other issues. With that confirmation I'll
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@taqtiqa-mark got it. Yes, it's fine by me. Once you can show me the proof that you've submitted the paper, I'll approve this milestone. |
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@taqtiqa-mark thanks for the screenshots. How about the Arxiv submission, could you post a screenshot there as well, so we can conclude this grant?
I need an endorsement from someone in the Quantitative Finance area. All my endorsers are in the stats domains. Could take another day or two... unless you know of someone I can email the endorsement link/code to? |
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@taqtiqa-mark ok no problem, lmk once you've received the endorsement. I'm not aware myself of anybody who can endorse you. |
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@takahser , still no movement on the arxiv front - seems quiet a isolated/insular ecosystem. Anyway, I suggest replacing Arxiv with ResearchGate, where I already have a presence. If you agree I'll amend the application, then update here when done? |
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@taqtiqa-mark yes, feel free to amend it. |
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@takahser , please see ResearchGate. |
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We noticed that this is the last milestone of your project. Congratulations on completing your grant! 🎊 |
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@takahser thanks for your patience, appreciate your timely responses and thoughtful comments. |
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@taqtiqa-mark thanks for your efforts as well. You can find the final, approved evaluation here. |
Thanks, my accountant is dealing with some personal circumstances, so the legal entities haven't been setup yet. Sorry I can't be more concrete - hope you understand. |
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@taqtiqa-mark no problem, just upload the invoice and ping me here once you've sorted out the issues. 👍 |
















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Link to the application pull request: Tokeneconomics Survey 2022