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Will G.'s avatar

Love this!

Oliver Sourbut's avatar

Appreciate your posts on this, it's important!

Two more things which are important to flag here. (Possibly the common theme is a strawmanning of physicalist/biologicalist views?)

First, many (all?) computationalist views are indeed non-physicalist, because *computation is an abstract, non-physical concept*. How so? 'What is this chunk of physics computing?' is an observer-subjective question, which inherently requires the answerer to bring in a particular correspondence between the mechanics of the system and the computational abstractions. *Because computation is important and useful* we 21st C humans have so much shared linguistic context and capital infrastructure built up around it that this fact often fades into the background.

I've not come across a good response to this concern, though you're certainly more widely read than me, so I'd be interested if you have any. Most discussions appear to not notice this.

Second (and related), computationalism vs biologicalism is a false dichotomy (the text here can be read as presenting that as a true dichotomy, especially 'the real contrast isn't...'). Uncharitably, this is misleading, as it erects a weakman of non-computationalism. Importantly, among non-computationalist views are many which grant that nonbiological systems could absolutely be a substrate for consciousness, but not necessarily by virtue of a posited computational property (e.g. it might be about particular energy or field configurations, it might be particular cybernetic properties, it might be chemical, it might be quantum, ...)

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