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Joe Panzica's avatar

Very glad to have read this. I’ve been trying to explore the idea that Dionysus was a more β€œformed” (by popular and literary forces) and striking version of Eros who (apparently) Hesiod (and those who crafted the Orphic texts) considered to be more primal than either Chronos or Uranus (Time or Sky). Another (Orphic?) expression of Eros was Phanes, a β€œcreator” god, but Phanes seems to have had sparse (if any) connection popular organic/folk practices, beliefs, or cults.

All three of THESE gods are connected to yearning and the creative urge… with the two versions of Dionysus intricately linked to death/fragmentation as well as rebirth and unification. Yet the unifying aspects of Dionysus were enmeshed with retribution, violence, and scapegoating. Hellenistic appreciators of Hebrew religious ideas tried to find ways to identify Yahweh with Dionysus, but the prophetic traditions of Israel/Judah emphasized Yahweh’s identification with a forgiving justice. A lasting amalgamation of Hellenistic and Judaic concepts of divinity was LOGOS which seems to have been motivated by an urge to make β€œreason” a driving creative force. But LOGOS is also identified with Christ as both a demiurge but also a merciful judge and advocate for justice, justification, and salvation. Rene Girard wrote a wonderful essay contrasting gods of power v gods of justice in β€œDionysus v, the Crucified”.

Aurora Bonzo's avatar

This is going to be incredibly random, but due to your writing I've realized that BOTH of my parents names are related to pagan gods that I work with and honor.

My mothers name is Amber, named for a prostitute in a book my grandmother was reading while pregnant. I associate that with the Norse goddess Freyja who cries tears of amber as well as having the Brisingamen necklace of amber and her protection of women.

My fathers name is Carmos, which has a silent r and is pronounced exactly as Comus. Why my grandmother named him that, I'll never know. But i will say that she was an avid partier and didn't settle down until her late 60's. While I haven't worked with Comus, i do enjoy working with Dionysus.

This is such a wild piece of information for me. Thank you for sharing and giving me such a fun rabbit hole to go down!

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