How do liberals guage success?

? What were they doing while waiting for the govt to help them build their business?

But, I have also not agreed that businesses succeed because of government.

I have not once said that businesses succeed in a vacuum. That would be a silly thing to suggest.

But, I have also not agreed that businesses succeed because of government. I know too many people running businesses that do nothing but fight against govt intervention, OSHA fines for ridiculous reasons, piles and piles of binders full of regulations, staff people dedicated to nothing but making sure govt forms are in order, etc.

Assistance is good, lifestyle is bad...

Gilchrest said. “ Shame on me if I didn’t use what’s available.”

Is that fellow in your video a spokesperson for Obama? Is there a voice that says, "I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message?"

No?

Then that means you're pushing BS yet again.

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But, I have also not agreed that businesses succeed because of government.

That's funny, neither has Obama - or anyone else.

This is the problem with the whole line you are pushing - it's a straw man and always has been.

Cycloptichorn

nah. you don't get to pick and choose who's a good guy for taking advantage of the government resources available to them and who's a naughty boy.

it's either a good thing or a bad thing.

praising one for taking $800,000 in government money and going all lifestyle on someone else? that's not on.

Nevertheless, Gilchrist said on Monday that his message has not been “compromised” by the fact that he received the proceeds of tax-exempt bonds made possible by the federal government. He said the legal fees totaled about $12,000, wiping out any financial advantage he gained as a result of the lower interest rate.

“It was a loser, and I wish I had never done it,” he stated. “I bought some equipment with it.”

What is a Tax-Exempt Bond?

Tax-exempt bonds are debt securities issued by a state or local government development agency on behalf of a private business. Once issued, tax-exempt bonds are sold in the open market or purchased by investors or financial institutions. Interest income earned by the bond purchaser is exempt from state and local taxes, which allows the lender to pass savings to the borrower in the form of lower interest rates.

Tax-exempt bonds are similar to conventional loans. Bonds are not grants. Borrowers have to pay back the bond’s principal plus interest to the bond. Applicants have to demonstrate a strong business plan and project proposal, creditworthiness and strong financial statements. In addition, borrowers have to demonstrate how proposed projects will create jobs and positively impact the local economy. Unlike conventional loans, tax-exempt bonds typically offer longer-term financing at considerably lower rates than conventional financing allows.

Tax-exempt bonds are not for modest projects. Typically, bonds are intended to fund projects over a million dollars, but smaller, mini-bonds may be issued. In addition, the costs associated with tax-exempt bonds tend to be much higher than conventional loans because the business has to pay its own legal costs. Carefully consider your financing needs and your ability to pay tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees before jumping into tax-exempt bonds.

Bond Financing
The BFA issues tax-exempt and taxable bonds for fixed asset expansion projects. Tax-exempt industrial development revenue bonds can be used by manufacturers for the acquisition, renovation and construction of buildings or the purchase of land and new equipment. Project sizes range from $500,000 to a federally imposed maximum of $20 million.

Non-profit organizations can use 501(c)(3) bonds to refinance existing debt, acquire, renovate and construct buildings, and purchase land and new equipment.

Well, I'm certainly not making that comparison. But I am claiming that someone who gets access to small business loans is getting help from the gov't. And it's pretty silly to turn around and use that guy as a spokesperson for the false point Romney is trying to make.

I'd really be interested to hear your take on what I wrote, re: how Bain used their LBO's to load companies up with debt and avoid taxes. I can provide you links to some articles about it if you need further confirmation that this was an explicit strategy they pursued for their own profits.

Cycloptichorn

I'd rather stick to what Gilchrist said.“My father’s hands didn’t build this company? My hands didn’t build this company? My son’s hands aren’t building this company? …Through hard work and a little bit of luck, we built this business. Why are you demonizing us for it?” What about his workers? Their hands did nothing? I'm sure Gilchrist is getting a line of credit for operating expenses. So there's the banks hands helping. The gist of what Obama said is "No one makes it in this world alone." It's the truth. If that hurts your pride then maybe it's your conscience fighting for it's life.

You start with a faulty premise about what Obama said then don't define success.