@hawkeye10,
Right, because
biblical men are never self centered...
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@JPB,
The wall between man and woman is ripped down and we are not so much in a male dominated world. Of course man's robustness is there dominating in some parts of the world and woman's meatiness that ensnares man into her life is also persistent. However we are entering into a new epoch wherein man and woman's differences or crevices are evening up.
Today woman is free and has her own big say and role in most of her likings and disliking. She joins and disjoins man's society whimsically and builds and breaks the relationship at her whim whim.
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
And i feel fine . . .
(whim whim?)
@Setanta,
I think whim whim mean's we're fickle.
Dona es mobile . . . (woman is fickle)
The End of Jewish Men?
Some professors and rabbis are concerned that liberal Judaism is becoming too female. Is this a real crisis?
Quote:All of these measures come as a response to a perceived "feminization" of liberal Judaism: declining male involvement in both the leadership and laity, among some Reform and Reconstructionist, and to a lesser extent Conservative, Jews. In 2008, Brandeis professor Sylvia Barack Fishman coauthored a monograph, Matrilineal Ascent/Patrilineal Descent, based on survey data and her own interviews. On a range of metrics, she found Jewish men to be less invested in their religious identity and less active in synagogue life than Jewish women. Women typically wish to marry within the tribe and raise Jewish children, while men often expressed hostility toward Jewish women and religion generally. Fishman declared this disparity a "crisis." Predictably, spirited debate erupted in the Jewish press and blogosphere. Does liberal Judaism really have a serious gender imbalance?
http://www.slate.com/id/2297575/
This sort of thing was predicted all the way back in 1988 in that much criticized great work of Alan Bloom's "The Closing of the American Mind" (which is selling very well now which tells me that people are more open to his message now than we were back then)....he who pointed out that the response by men when women turn hostile to men and men's needs is to get gone. Men dont tend to stick around and go toe to toe with women, we tend rather to leave and look for a women who wants us. But when the culture turns hostile to men, as our has, we dont have a comfortable go to response. We are going to have to learn new tricks, because there is no alternative to taking on the man hating bitch feminists.
@hawkeye10,
Uhhhhh... Hasn't Hebrew tradition always been matriarchal? If Jewish men are becoming less interested in only marrying "within the tribe" and pursuing their own romantic aspirations (as the article suggests: Less orthodox Jewish women or non-Jewish) elsewhere, isn't that exactly the kind of male empowerment you claim is going away?
You're a professional envy artist.
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@failures art,
Quote:Uhhhhh... Hasn't Hebrew tradition always been matriarchal?
IDK, but according to the article some Rabies and professors believe that some sects of Judaism are now overly feminized. If some experts in the subject raise a red flag it might be a good idea to check out the claim.
@hawkeye10,
The other side of this is that if I'm wrong about the matriarch part, it's perfectly reasonable to say that those in power (like Rabbi experts perhaps), don't like the idea of loosing any power, in which case, this is nothing really new. Any move toward balance from the vantage point of the entitled, is usually dressed up with hyperbolic language about downfall.
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@failures art,
Who knows, that is why we talk about stuff and compare notes around here.....but when people start talking in such a way as to support my thesis that this culture has become overly feminine and hostile towards men I tend to want to bring it forwards.
Hawkeye, I feel you are lodged into a mentality like this:
Ignoring a reality like this:
The sad thing is that the first commercial is ultra emasculating, and yet the force it exerts on your mind will not be given its due credit. As I've said before, it's not women who are making men feel inadequate, but rather the materialistic obsession that relates objects to status, and status to sexual prowess. That (IMO) is a long path, but a path none the less, to objectifying others and diminishing women to simple conquests. When the narrative doesn't play out like it's supposed to, anger fills the void.
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Are they gone yet?
Did they get rid of all the men?
Oh, wait . . . never mind . . .
Aaaah but how I hanker for the good old days........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w
(Please excuse the advert at the beginning)
@Old Goat,
Delightful & very funny, Old Goat!
And it's very good to see you back here.
I hope this is not just a fleeting visit.
Oh, Come On, Men Aren't Finished
Women are joining men as partners in running the world, not replacing them.
Quote:Why, then, are we even having a debate about man's demise? Because we're living in a society that's enamored with the "WAW", or "Women are Wonderful" phenomenon. WAW, a kind of reverse female chauvinism, is everywhere. Magazines, TV shows, newspapers, and even scholarly journals run endless stories and articles claiming women are the better sex. Women, we are told, are superior leaders and communicators. They're also more charitable, empathetic, and noble than men. The rules of the WAW game make it impossible for men to win: If women do something better than men, that is evidence of their superiority. If men outperform women, that's proof of invidious discrimination against the fairer sex.
To violate the spirit of WAW is to invite havoc. Suggest, as Larry Summers did, that men may have some innate advantages in science and math, and prepare to change your job. Write a book or article titled Are Men Necessary?, "The End of Men," Man Down, or Women are From Venus, Men are from Hell," and the gods smile.
http://www.slate.com/id/2303907/pagenum/2
I agree with the quote but not the overall thrust of the piece...women have almost always been partners, this idea that it is a new concept is to slander our forefathers and foremothers..and this piece also ignores that the feminist agenda is to oppress men by all means necissary.
@hawkeye10,
Quote: . . . the feminist agenda is to oppress men by all means necissary.
Oh . . . poor bay-bee . . .
What a pathetic whiner you are.
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
Quote: . . . the feminist agenda is to oppress men by all means necissary.
Oh . . . poor bay-bee . . .
What a pathetic whiner you are.
So what is your argument? Is it that I am wrong or is it that this does not matter?